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Another Unnecessary List- From White Stripes To Soundgarden: A Candid Review Of The Rock Hall Night
The Rock Hall came in loud, messy, and unexpectedly moving—and we brought receipts. We open with a mea culpa that doubles as a manifesto: Iron Maiden belongs in the Hall. When you put their global sales, generational influence, and still‑feverish fanbase next to multiple inductees, the picture changes fast. From there we break down the night’s sharpest highs and softest misses: Salt‑N‑Pepa’s clinic in craft and energy, a Warren Zevon tribute that needed Werewolves of London, and Cyndi Lauper’s command of a room that didn’t always return the favor.
We dig into the White Stripes’ legacy with clear eyes: why Feist and Olivia Rodrigo’s “We’re Going To Be Friends” worked and why making “Seven Nation Army” about yourself doesn’t. Jack White’s speech lands like a love letter to small rooms and big risks, and we push back on the lazy “Meg can’t drum” take—serving the song is a skill. Outkast’s segment wrestles with tech issues, but Tyler, the Creator detonates “B.O.B.” and reminds everyone what modern hip‑hop virtuosity looks like. Then Soundgarden turns the room inside out: Taylor Momsen surprises, Toni Cornell devastates on “Fell on Black Days,” and Nancy Wilson powers through more malfunction to honor Chris Cornell’s towering range and the band that bridged punk and Sabbath weight.
We close by asking better questions of the Hall. What is “rock and roll” in 2025 if not attitude, risk, and reinvention across hip‑hop, punk, metal, pop, and alternative? If next year’s first‑timer pool is thin, it’s time to right some wrongs: Mariah Carey, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Wu‑Tang Clan, and long‑snubbed pillars like the Pixies, the Replacements, and Black Flag. Along the way, we unpack catalog sales, a smart theory behind the Oasis reunion, and why safe, templated finales shrink big nights.
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And welcome to another necessary list. I was going to talk with that guitar solo for this new band that I have fallen in love with called Girl Tones. Amazing. Definitely check them out. Band's called Girl Tones. The song is called Again. A listener recommended them to me. They're coming to Kansas City, so I've already purchased uh tickets. I'm excited about that.
SPEAKER_01:Are you taking your daughter or is it not appropriate?
SPEAKER_03:You know, we um since the last time we spoke, I f I flew, me and Charlotte flew to Portland, Oregon to go see Wolf Alice. Yeah. I just love seeing my daughter, who's nine and very much into music. It's kind of her thing. Like, look at other female artists on the stage and seeing them take dominance and presence on a stage and seeing what they can do with their voice. And I love the fact that she can see that and kind of gives her like someone to look up to. And you know, some people are saying, like, you know, some people might say, well, it's oversexualized or whatever, and things like that. But it's art. And some parents, some for some parents, some parents it's not. But for me, like, I want my daughter to be exposed to, you know, whatever, and and she gets to pick whatever she wants to. But yeah, that was a good time. But no, Girl Tones um two-piece band. It's a drummer and a guitarist singer, and they are fabulous. So definitely check them out.
SPEAKER_01:You know who I I there was a two, there was a two-piece uh female band called Deep Valley a few years ago. They had a uh they had a single that was like an alternative radio hit called Smile More, and they recently went on their last tour. They they broke up, they're having kids and stuff. But uh I was bummed I didn't get to see them. I really, really like them. They, you know, really grungy, fuzzy guitars, just really heavy and and very, you know, feminist oriented. So yeah, they were they were a cool band. So I I like seeing bands like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I just I I I like it. It's even like wet leg. I know I'm a little late to the party on that one.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, wet leg. And yeah, I was talking actually. Short story is I was talking to Todd Slater. Um, we were messaging about he was trying to get to in touch with wet leg because he wanted to do a poster for them and he just wasn't getting any response from their management and and the people that he was reaching out to, and he asked me if I had you know had any luck contacting them, which I hadn't, but he went and saw them with his daughter um down in Texas.
SPEAKER_03:Todd Slater had a hard time getting in touch with somebody.
SPEAKER_01:That's like man, it's just a whole especially I think, and especially when you get into, I mean, obviously we've talked about how things have changed like post-COVID, but like especially bands in from overseas, um, when they have overseas management, it can be really difficult to get in touch with them and have and have them respond. So very rarely do you do you you know find the right contact, especially when you're dealing with a band that's coming to America from overseas. So that can definitely be a challenge.
SPEAKER_03:Well but hopefully it all works out. But yeah, tonight we are back. Now we have done it's funny because I've missed doing the show, but scheduling is crazy. Hopefully we can get back into a regular schedule.
SPEAKER_01:But agreed.
SPEAKER_03:Rock and roll hall of fame, it happened. I think we text each other almost at the same time, like we have to do a show about this. We've done a show about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame now. This is going on five years insane to me. Like it's weird to think since COVID we've been talking about the rock and roll of fame, but we are and um we're gonna talk about this. But before we get into it, there's gonna be a news segment. I don't know if everyone follows us on TikTok, but I would say that our last videos that we've posted from the show, clips from it, went pretty damn viral. And uh poor Brian was getting his ass handed to him about things. So without further ado, I introduced you to the news segment. You ready for this? Hold on. Hold on.
SPEAKER_04:Don't you know it's the time for the show everybody watching the Friday's crowd? Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_01:Do we have AI to think for this thing for this?
SPEAKER_03:This is 100% the end.
SPEAKER_01:This is what AI should be used for. Absolutely. Yes. That's wonderful. And I have to say, and I have to say, I I totally deserve to eat the crow because you know, we were talking in the last podcast, and you had shot shot out a bunch of acts to me um and my you know what I thought they should, if they should be in the Rock and Roll Roll Hall of Fame or not. And then the one I got the most beef on was Iron Maiden. So I thought about it, and then I went and did some research. And I I wanted that this is where I eat crow. And so I initially started, I went to Iron Maiden, went to their, you know, I'm not a fan of the band. I mean, I'm I I appreciate their influence and things like that. And um, so I went to their Wikipedia and I started reading about them. So they started, you know, they were that kind of that new um British metal scene of the of the late 70s, early 80s. Um, and they even predated a couple of bands that we've talked about that are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which we've said probably shouldn't be, or we're not personal fans of. Um, and looking at the stats, Iron Maiden had better stats than both of these bands. Really? Yes. So, and I don't know if you're gonna be able to guess what these bands are, but one of them is an English band that came out in this that we I would call a contemporary of Iron Maiden. Okay, and then the other band is is an is an American band that kind of came on the heels of that like kind of you know second wave of of British heavy metal invasion.
SPEAKER_03:So this is interesting because now you can speaking.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so so think about that. And here I'm gonna give you some numbers. So Iron Maiden came out in 1975, the year I was born. They've sold 130 million records, 130 million records worldwide. Their most um, you know, their most famous album, Number of the Beast, 20 million albums. Those are big numbers. They big, big numbers. They're still around, they're still playing, they're still in and you hear a lot, a lot of metal bands very influenced by Iron Maid. Lots of great, lots of fans, they've influenced a lot of bands. So there we go. Then I'm gonna tell you about the contemporary English band that is currently in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that only sold a hundred million albums. So thirty million albums less than Iron Maiden. Okay, their two biggest selling records only sold ten million a piece. So they're uh they're half of what of Number of the Beast. Okay. Can you tell me who that band is?
SPEAKER_03:Oh god, you really put me on the spot. Okay, so it came out around the same time as Iron Maiden.
SPEAKER_01:One was English, one was both both English. Both English bands. Judas Priest? Uh close, but we're thinking more of an MTV hit band. MTV hit band. Uh big videos, metallic no, we're Def Leopard. Oh. Def Leopard, who was it was currently in the rock hall. We've had we've had talks about Def Leopard.
SPEAKER_03:We have definitely had talks about Def Leopard.
SPEAKER_01:And the death talk about Def Leopard is how many people do you hear say Def Leopard was really an influence on me? Correct, the Bon Jovi affect. Yeah, it well, the our second our second band, yep, who has sold 130 million records comparable to Iron Maiden, currently in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but their biggest selling record only sold 15 million albums, so 5 million less than Number the Beast. And it's John Bon Jovi. Oh, you know my Bon Jovi feelings. Yes. So we've got two bands that we have talked about and said, you know, how many acts do you hear out there, you know, saying Bon Jovi was a huge influence on me? Def Leopard was a huge influence on me. And then you've got Maiden, who's out there with more album sales, more total album sales, more album sales with their biggest hit, and they're still not in the rock hall. I call bullshit on that. I think that so the listeners spoke and I listened and I went and did some research. And yes, I think Iron Maiden needs to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Now, unfortunately, we can't vote out Def Leppard and John Bon and Bon Jovi, but Iron Maiden, yes, they should be in the Hall of Fame.
SPEAKER_03:Here's something interesting. I go by the Spotify numbers because definitely when I live in a digital world, Iron Maiden right now is sitting at 8.3 million listeners a month with their uh top three uh most popular songs at 563 million, 405 million, and 445 million. If I do Bon Jovi, which got it.
SPEAKER_01:And I think that's a I think that's a great way to do it, Anthony. It to look to look that up. And sometimes when you look up how what do they got?
SPEAKER_03:Wow. So Bon Jovi's at 31 million listens monthly over the 8 million, and their top three songs are 2.1 billion listens, 1.4 billion, and 1.1 billion. Now they are commercial successes. Now let's go to what the other one was Def Leopard. So you gotta remember too.
SPEAKER_01:So albums And Bon Jovi Bon Jovi more of a you know, more of a pop rock act. I wouldn't call them hard rock or heavy metal, which doesn't, you know, quite so.
SPEAKER_03:Let's I think with this a great example of Def Leopard and and and you know Iron Maiden definitely kind of fit that bill, even though they're different. I don't I'm not saying they're the same band, but Def Leopard, 8.2 million monthly listeners. Uh top three songs 591 million, 281 million, and 185 million. So pretty similar in the sense they're pretty comparable to Iron Maiden. Correct, correct. I would say so, 100% on that. But you know, I think the numbers, I think the song numbers are higher in in total listens. And actually, once you go down the number the the the top five, top ten, there's definitely more millions of listens for Iron Maiden songs. Um, like it's more consistent, like five, four hundred, four hundred million, two hundred million, hundred million, where it goes to like and it's not like a big drop off. Correct.
SPEAKER_01:Like you've got your pour, you've got your pour some sugar on me for whatever is up there for for Def Leopard. Correct.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it's even like Bon Jovi. The top three songs are Living on our Prayer, You Give Love a Bad Name, It's My Life, and then it dri it goes from one it goes from 1. You know, 1 billion to 700 million, which is still a huge number.
SPEAKER_01:But I mean they've also like Bon Jovi's had a number one single. Like, you know, May Iron Maiden's never had a number one single. No, Def Leppard may have been probably at least the top 10.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, Maiden hasn't done that, but they've sold more, you know, overall. So I yeah, I think that um I think that looking at the the Spotify stuff is really interesting too. Um but yeah, I mean I just I just saw they're they're touring this summer, they're touring America this summer. I mean, it's a big deal. So are you gonna go? No, no, I don't like Iron Maiden, but that doesn't mean but that doesn't mean that they don't, you know, they haven't influenced a lot of people and they don't belong there. I mean, I think you look at like a a metal a band like Metallica and stuff like that, they were totally influenced by a band like Iron Maiden.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, 100%. I agree with you on that one. If you look at the the roots of what Metallica was based off of, I mean, in a lot of it comes off of that idea of what I would say they're a great mixture of what ACDC and Iron Maiden was, like bringing those two together. I don't know, it's a good point. Maybe maybe maybe I'm wrong. I don't know timetables, and I'm not a huge Metallica fan by any means. I'm more of a hits kind of person. I appreciate their their talent. I know they're big, they have a huge fan base. Iron Maiden has a huge fan base. I mean, death loyal. I mean, we noticed that I would say the two fan bases that have come that have come for our heads are Iron Maiden and Mana fans. And then the fans that then the group of like fans that just took us in, like they were like, Hey, welcome to the party, welcome to the Mariah Carey Club.
SPEAKER_01:The Mariah Carey fans.
SPEAKER_03:Mariah Carey love they love us. They are and they come out of the woodwork for us.
SPEAKER_01:Hey man, I'll go to the Matt for Mariah Carey in the Hall of Fame, and I will now go to the Mat for Iron Maiden because I I think it's totally deserved. And you know, I think and then kind of like pivoting to um to what you get at a at a rock and roll hall of fame, like an induction ceremony that we that we saw when we're talking about. I mean, I think you really got to think about uh you really they they really need to think about what kind of a show they're putting on and who's gonna be able to be there. And you know, um and if if you can get the the big guys from Iron Maiden to to come and and be part of the show, I think that's a great thing.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I I think it's to be honest and honest with you, if you had Iron Maiden at that event, you're gonna have to, and I don't I say this in the most um sympathetic way possibly you're gonna have to dumb the event down enough, almost like what they did with other bands, because if you have an artist at that level with a fan base that rabid, I feel as though they're gonna overtake it, if that makes any sense. Oh, I kind of agree. I think Iron Maiden fans are even more loyal and rabid, and rabid in the sense that like they will go after someone who talks bad about them. We've learned that. Um that I feel even bigger than Pearl Jam. I I there's not many fan bases as driven and loyal worldwide rabid as I've seen with like Iron Maiden, maybe ICP, because ICP things. I mean, I've gone down a rabbit hole of ICP documentaries with those three weeks.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. They're bringing out their listen, they're bringing out if you've watched it if you've watched any seen any you know footage from a gathering of the juggalos. Yeah, they're say what you will about those people, but they they are diehard, man. They they love they love their their they love their clown posse.
SPEAKER_03:I have told Brad um multiple times. I'm like, I feel as though like we talk about like experiencing things in traveling. I'm like, I almost try it. We should just go. Like, I feel as though you go one day. I don't need anything more than one day. It's kind of like guar. You go to you go because you have to experience it. Guar was an amazing experience. Will I ever do it again?
unknown:No.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but guar's like guar's not a whole day, and it's not like I don't know. I just I just I I can tell you right now, I don't do a lot of shows. I would not do a gathering of I wouldn't have got done a gathering of the juggalos in my heyday. Like that's nah. That wouldn't have happened. Wow. But uh so let's so let's segue into the uh into the rock and roll hall of fame uh inductee and the ceremony, which um it'll be interesting. I'm interested to hear what you think. Um I have lots of thoughts.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um, some good, some bad, uh some just crazy. But uh really, really interested to see um to see what you thought about the performances and and and everything that went down uh a couple Saturdays ago. It's one of my favorite things of the year to see the see the induction and see what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree. So it was held on November 8th, 100% live. Like it's 100% live on Disney Plus. Uh it was at the Peacock Theater in Los Angeles. It was a I was on Disney Plus. Disney Plus bought the rights to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to stream it live, and that goes through, I believe, 2032, based off my uh numbers. Um, and you know, there it was an interesting, interesting overall thing, but um, let's talk about the actual inductees. We had uh the performer category included Bad Company, uh Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, uh Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Sound Guard, and the White Stripes. Um, then of course there was a Musical Influence Award, which was Salt and Pepper, Warren Zevon. Um, and then the Music Excellence Award for Tom Bell, Nikki Hopkins, and Carol Kay. Um, and then there was the Ament uh ArtGuard Award that was for Lenny Warnar. Amet Ergin. Thank you very much. It's weird going for Lenny Warnarker. And then uh yeah, those were that was everything. That's everyone who got awards that night. Now, there were people that performed, there were speeches, there were segments, there were small uh clippets, but I think we just need to go in the order of um I guess how some of the things were. Let's talk about let's go backwards because I don't want to go to the main acts right away. Um the Lenny Warner, I I kind of might I might have missed it. I don't know. That might have been just in a video segment.
SPEAKER_01:I don't really it was, yeah. It's just he was a so the Ahmed Erdogan Award is like for a uh an executive basically. Yeah. And um and it was interesting. I mean, I thought that that I I I kind of I like those things because obviously you're you know, we've gotten past the all the people that, you know, all the the people that we know that that are big in the music industry, that you know the your your your big names. So you're you know, these people that are getting awards are I mean this guy had been in, you know, his dad was in the music industry, he was in the music industry. Um he's a really old guy now. And it was really interesting. I I think it's really interesting to see like who they worked with and just um to kind of see like the camaraderie of the music industry and and how many people that you know he worked with and in his career and and all that stuff. It's not one of my like favorite parts of the show, but they do the the Erdogan award every year. Um, and I think it's always a cool thing to just see. It's kind of like a lifetime achievement award.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:For you know, for an ex a music executive.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I guess I don't know much about him. And to be honest with you, as more of a I wouldn't say I'm more of a casual viewer than most when it comes to you know Rock Roll of Fame, but like there's some points because this event was long. Like every time it is pretty long, yeah. Every time I thought I'm like, oh, this might be the last act, I'm like, oh shit, there's like three more.
SPEAKER_01:Well, see, and you're right, because I when they got the Cindy Lauper, I was like, oh, Cindy's gonna close. And I was like, I forgot about Joe Cocker. So then we'll wrap it up with Joe.
SPEAKER_03:We will talk about that one for really. Oh I okay, okay. Well, don't don't don't get uh the music excellent award was for Tom Bell, uh Nikki Hopkins and Carol Kay. I actually thought the video package and the interviews they did for this was well done. There was a lot of kind of controversy over the fact of you know not being there and also like not wanting to take credit for certain things because of the whole um being more than just one person uh when it when it came to uh Carol Kay.
SPEAKER_01:Um I totally get that of I totally understand where she's coming from. Actually, uh coincidentally, I had watched that um that wrecking crew documentary uh earlier in the year, and it was really, really interesting. And all those musicians are because she was part of the Wrecking Crew, just a bunch of studio musicians that played on all these records. So it wasn't just her, and yeah, she she played on a lot of stuff, and I think her concern was that she wanted she didn't want to go in by herself, she wanted to be awarded with the rest of the wrecking crew, um, which I totally understand because they're all like crazy talented musicians. But if you haven't watched that wrecking crew documentary, you should because it's really interesting, and those people made a ton of music that we listen to every day. I I like when they show like like when they did her thing and they were like, Well, she played on you know good vibrations and she played on this and she played on that, and and it's you know, and she wrote all those bass parts. I mean crazy, yeah. She's a crazy talented woman, and I think especially for her, you know, back in that time, back in that time there weren't a whole lot of women studio musicians, so she was really, you know, a trailblazer in that respect.
SPEAKER_03:There is a funny stat a half for her, not funny, but actually quite remarkable that Carol Kaye is her bass lines are known for eight percent of all commonly known bass lines. And what this means is for people who don't might not know something about a song or something, if they play the bass line, they'd be like, Oh, I know what that song is. Like eight percent of all music ever created, based off this study that was done, she is known for eight percent of the songs.
SPEAKER_01:And I think they made some comment during the during the uh induction that she was like she played with like 17% of people that had been or 17 acts that had been in that are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I mean, she played with everyone. It's insane. Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, there was um someone did was it there was it known that she was was it the Beatles? No, I don't think she did the Beatles. I think she did.
SPEAKER_01:No, well they play well that guy the the one guy, the piano dude who got in, he played with like he played with the Beatles and he played with the Stones, and he and that was super another really that's what I like about those packages, but it's it was another really interesting one because he played with like everybody. Everybody, and it was just like he would just sit down and that like sympathy for the devil, like he he came up with that piano part for sympathy of the devil at the you know which is which is extremely known.
SPEAKER_03:And the fact that he Oh my god, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's that that song is like you even if you watch, there's that I can't I don't know what documentary it is, but they're it you can see clips of them actually recording Sympathy for the Devil, and they're they started writing it and it was like super slow. And he comes in with this piano, this bibbity bopity and piano thing that really picked up the pace and the tempo of that song and really makes it what it is.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it's amazing what small, like the not small, but I mean what adding things from outside can just just uh blow things up. But I mean, yeah, no, he it was pretty amazing. That I thought this was the first time I was watching the video packages that evening, like outside of some stuff, and I was like, I was really enthralled in what the information that was coming out of it. I was kind of like mesmerized by some of the information because I know we knew some of it by breaking it down on the previous show we did, but I was like, man, just like some of the the behind the scenes and the videography, and that's something that we I think we take for granted is that a lot of the artists that are coming out that that were involved in the 60s and the 70s, you know, film was becoming more you know, able to be done and do things. So we have a lot of behind the scenes for those those video shoots and and in studio things that we don't have for a lot of the you know earlier stuff in the 50s and 40s, where we have to go by a lot of like photograph photographic evidence. But it's really cool to see that and and and I love these.
SPEAKER_01:I I that's one of the things that I think that the their production team, the you know, if it's if it's the rock haul or whoever does it, but I think that they do those packages really well and they're they're just packed full of information and really cool video clips and photos and things like that. So I think that's uh that's always a a super positive thing that I think when they when they do the induction is is those packages are really interesting and informative. Um, you know, that's that's a that's a plus that they have. They there are some other things that happen during the induction that are that are less interesting or well done, and we'll talk about those too.
SPEAKER_03:Sure. No, but I thought I thought I was done. Now let's talk about this, because this is to me two night and day things. This is for the musical influence award, one was for salt and pepper, one for Warren Zevon. And this is where I think the rock and roll hall of fame hit a home run. And this is where I feel like they shruck out. Really?
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:My wife and I watched my wife watched about 60% of it. After a while, she was she tapped out. And uh oh god, sorry, Brad was calling. Um, and it was Salt and Pepper was amazing. I loved everything about it. I loved the way they ran through it. I loved the they they and I love the the reaction they got from the crowd because I felt like they fed fed off that. Oh yeah. I felt like it was done so so well. Like everything about it, the guests this is one of the few. Yeah, this I will say this. This is one of the few artists that had like guests, their singing, everything that everything worked out 100%. There really wasn't, there was no like um hiccups when it came to um like uh like uh editing, there was no hiccups when it came to the production, there was no instrument hiccups, everything worked perfectly. It was visually stunning, they went through their hits, everything was done so well. Um loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it. I will say this then, and I'll I'll let you go back to back. So Warren Z Von was a dud. Um I felt as I felt as though they, if you know Warren Z-Von, which most people don't, this is someone that I think reflects to a lot of singer songwriters like Eddie Vetter, who covers the stuff. It reflects him. I think for the majority of casual listeners of music, I don't think Warren Z Von is someone that you just go listen to as his catalog. The killers, this is not their fault. They were given a dud of a song. They should, first of all, the fact they didn't do Werewolves of London.
SPEAKER_01:Werewolves of London, yeah. And I like Lawyer's Guns of Money, don't get me wrong, but how do you not do Werewolves of London? I mean, come on.
SPEAKER_03:I will say this. I didn't even know the song prior to that performance.
SPEAKER_01:And that's like that's literally the only other Warren's Yvonne song I know. It's it's he has he does one song about his kids, or no, keep me in your heart for a while is the song he wrote on the album before he died. But yeah, those are like the three Warren's Yvonne songs that I know are Werewolves of London, Lawyer's Guns of Money, and that. But and but yeah, I was and I and I like Lawyer's Guns and Money, but I was like, why not Werewolves of London? And I know that he tried to do the oh stuff in parts of it, but it it brand it wasn't selling it. And I didn't think the killers are just kind of boring, I mean, to me overall. So I was just kind of like, eh, don't know. So yeah, it was a dud. It was and I also think I also think um in comparison to the Salt and Peppa uh Letterman was a dud. Letterman was annoying as as in inducting them, and he just he does his dumb like bits and stuff, and you know, when you had uh uh what's her name, Super Dupa Fly up there doing uh inducting. There was more I felt there was more of a connection with her in Salt and Peppa, and she just did a better job of inducting them. It was more of a celebration, and I understand that you know Warren Zevon's not there, and but Letterman it was still alive, isn't he? Zevon, no, Zevon's dead. He died of cancer a long time like 20 years ago, but uh but he was always like the the the songwriter that like he I mean he was he just wasn't as lauded as like you know Springsteen and and all those guys but they but he was you know friends with them and they were all close. But yeah, the the I think that Letterman was a little off-putting and not as off-putting as somebody else, uh Jim Carrey, but uh but yeah, I think that that definitely had uh something to do with it in comparison to Assault and Peppa, which seemed to be more of like you know a celebration and of all these things. And yeah, the Warren's Evon thing was a bit of a dud.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, not not a fan.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. And then we had and then the Jim Carrey Soundgarden thing really annoyed me.
SPEAKER_03:We jump in around.
SPEAKER_01:We're jumping to that, yeah. Why not?
SPEAKER_03:Because Well, okay, so let's before we talk about this. So yeah, I think we both agree. Salt and pepper, home run, right? Yeah, and Warren's Yvonne, dud.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I felt like he did I he deserved better, I think.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think I think werewolves of London, especially for an audience that wasn't familiar with him, because then I think people that don't I mean everyone knows Werewolves of London, it's a popular song.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's why don't if you start off with if you start off with Lawyers, Guns and Money, maybe segue into Werewolves of London and finish with that because you know, I don't know. I I think they just missed an opportunity.
SPEAKER_03:I I agree, and I think that's where it was. So um I just yeah, I think that's where the the Rock Roll Hall of Fame, definitely home run and then a strikeout. All right, so here's the actual inductees again. We had Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker, Cindy Lauper, uh, Outcast, Soundgarden, and White Stripes. Let's kind of go in the order if I can remember it correctly. So Bad Company opened it up. And once again, I have said my piece about bad company.
SPEAKER_01:Uh we both have.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, and um I understand there is a big fan base. We we kind of the old men of bad company fans, uh, they came out a little bit. I I guess a few of them have TikTok accounts, and uh, they shit on us a little bit.
SPEAKER_01:Um, you know, they're oh well I got I got something to to shit on them for, so keep you keep talking and I'll figure it out.
SPEAKER_03:So, I mean, you know, they're they're another band once again, and a lot of the stats I'm going from is so I look at how music is modern to listen to, 95% of People are listening to music through uh a streaming service on their phone, in their car, um, things of that nature. So I'm using numbers raised off Spotify. I have 2.9 million listens a month. They have 213 million for Feel Like Making Love, 136 million for bad company, and then it drops off to 94 million to shoot and star, which once again that's only a difference of 40 million, but 40 million is 40 million. Um, but they don't have even the numbers of a Jews priest like if or an Iron Maiden. Let's go to Iron Maiden. So this band that got in Bad Company, they don't really have the Iron Maiden numbers. We're gonna we'll we'll use that a couple of times, I guess, tonight. Um I I just listen, there they are a bar band. Like when I think of bad company, I think of your uncle that's at a bar, throws a couple coins in the car, you know, picks up the songs on there, and he's like, and he's like, and he reminds me of there's a guy I gotta find you gotta find on TikTok. He's uh his name's Joe something, and like he does karaoke to every song, and he like does it like Oh, I know you're talking about the belong blonde.
SPEAKER_01:That that's this is the guy that puts on bad company. This is him. And things that they rock. Oh my god, and you're like this is what I want, this is what I want to give you a little bit of. So my wife and I were were watching it, and so they had Brian Adams induct that or Brian Adams sang for the bad company thing.
SPEAKER_03:Correct.
SPEAKER_01:Um, I felt bad because this is this was the start of their production difficulties because Ann Wilson's guitar didn't work, and so they that was all screwed up. So, you know, here hey, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, get that shit fixed and soundchecked. Um, but I'm just gonna give you a little bit of uh of the poetry of bad company. Okay, come on, come on, come on and do it. Come on and uh do what you do. I can't get enough of your love, I can't get enough of your love, I can't get enough of your love. What the hell are we doing? What come on, come on, come on, do it. Why are they even writing it down? It's so bad. And and and then I can't get enough of your love three times. I mean, Jesus Christ. It was just it's just I mean, and we go back, we've talked about this before you can't, everyone can't get in. If everyone gets in, it doesn't mean anything.
SPEAKER_03:Correct.
SPEAKER_01:It just doesn't mean anything, and that's where I land with bad company. It was just, I think, I think showing their when they were showing their package, I was like, this is why this band doesn't belong here. Because there's nothing going on. It was tight. It was very spinal tap. It was spinal tap.
SPEAKER_03:I g I give you, ready for this? I I have I have a little gift for you, ready? Oh man, is my Bluetooth off? No! Damn it. Oh, I had I had the Joey Bordeaux, I think his name is uh him singing bad company.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, this this find him and get him in your feed because the dude is just he's awesome. He's awesome. He's never on key and he's always ahead of the music or behind the music, but whatever.
SPEAKER_03:He's going up to Nashville on like a weekly basis to play in cover bands, and he thinks he's gonna be.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, he is. Oh, well good for him.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, he's a bit good. God bless you.
SPEAKER_01:And he's got like the greatest, the greatest like silver mullet you've ever seen.
SPEAKER_03:Oh god, I wish I had hair. Just do do what he does.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, that I was just like, oh man. I I was the the best thing about the bad company induction is what it was first because we could get it over with. Um and you know, bad company fans just bring it on because I just they're just not, you know. Yet again, here's my here's my argument. How many artists have you seen that are like, man, I bad company really made me want to pick up the guitar? Shooting star, I'll give you that. I love that song, but I love the golden smog version that was in Clerks. Um, so that's my go-to for for bad company. But yeah, I mean and also any band that has a song that is the same as the name of the band, it's just there's something that rubs me wrong. It's like when you have a movie and they use the title of the movie in the movie. Like it's just there's something about there's there's just a lack of originality there. Like, you know, bad company by bad company. Like, come on, give me give me something more. But so yeah, I'm gonna have to go for that one.
SPEAKER_03:So, yeah, so bad company on a scale of one to ten, it just didn't do anything for me. I give it a third.
SPEAKER_01:Oh no, it's I I was like, just get rid of them. And because I mean, obviously, and obviously, we want to see who we want to see, you know, the people we were excited to see, which were yeah, you know, outcasts and sound guard and white stripes.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna we're gonna look ahead of ourselves because after Bad Company was was it Chubby Checker?
SPEAKER_01:I think Chubb, and I they just did a package for Chubby. Did they even?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, Chubby Checker was on stage. He was like, he did a live feed from like, I guess, one of his concerts. And I would tell you something for as old as he is, he looked good. He looked good, and then he said, and then he just went right into like the chorus of uh do the twist. But it was crazy because his audience, I I thought he might have been in a retirement home because the audience was like definitely like there was like one younger guy in the front row of this. Like, like I don't know, he was very out of place. Like, this is kind of one of those guys. Oh god. Um, he just gets up and then he was the only person that got up because I don't I think there was a lot of uh hips and uh yeah, I was gonna say a lot of people probably couldn't get up. No, they they a lot of walkers. Yeah, he he could say, Come on, baby, and do the twist, and nobody twists it because they're gonna break something. So no, it was good. Good for him. I mean, listen, I like Chubby. Yeah, come on. Chubby's got tons of hits. Come on, do the twist. Yeah, come on, do the twist. So yeah. Um, then after him was uh was the White Tripes. And this is I I I'm gonna tell you something. I was so excited about the White Tripes coming in. I think there was a lot of speculation. Was Meg gonna go? Was Meg not gonna go? Um, was Jack gonna perform? Was he not gonna perform? Once they announced two weeks leading up. So there's two things about this story that I love. One, when they so I was originally going to bring Charlotte to go to this because she has become a big White Shribes fan. She loves Meg White, influenced her to play drums. So I was like, I'm gonna go. Um but then I was like, it just didn't, it nothing was lining up. But then when I was when we were in Portland and they announced the performers uh that were performing, Olivia Rodrigo, like 10 minutes later, just posted the peppermint logo on her Twitter. And I'm like, oh shit. And there's been a lot of there's a lot of like um connections between Olivia Rodrigo and Jack White. Olivia Rodrigo has talked about how Jack White has uh influenced her. She's been at the the Blue Room in Nashville before. She has had them, they've performed together, a lot of things. And Olivia Rodrigo has done really well in the in kind of honoring her past, whether it's with the cure and other artists having her come on stage. She's done a lot of that stuff, and I think that that's really cool. Yeah. So, and like I said, I know that the White Stripes were definitely uh one where even Mark Kirby saying that they should not be in. I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Um, the White Stripes came out in you know '97, and they were the epitome of what um a garage band was. They were a two-piece band trying something new in the industrial district of Detroit, bringing out different kinds of music that really influence a lot of bands that are gonna be up for um induction when it comes to the Yeah yeahs, the strokes, and other bands that came out of that New York scene, but it really was created early on by the White Stripes. A lot of the music that came out in the early 2000s wouldn't really be as relevant, or I would say, even forefronting as it would if it wasn't for the White Tripes, in my opinion. That two-piece band thing that came out White Tripes, 21 Pilots, uh Black Keys, all those bands, even Death from Above 1979, that was all created based off the hype and the train that the White Tripes are driving. The fact that that band created so many hits, including songs like Seven Nation Army, which really is its own song, its own sense, and that song by itself could be in the Rock Roll Hall of Fame just for what it did, shows you know what that band does for artists.
SPEAKER_01:Now, once again, and I think that that Jack, you know, has gone on to be successful as a solo artist and with the raconteurs and with the deadweather. I mean, he's just uh he is a raconteur, and um and that that shows I think that that makes you know the success of the white stripes even more pertinent because he he's just been able to to do all of these different things, and he's and he's and he's really like a musical chameleon. I mean he changes in every you know in every one of these scenarios. He he's he's you know something else, which is really, really cool. But uh yeah, I think that they had hu a huge influence. I mean, they were the they were that big you know initial step into the whole garage rock, you know, early 2000s, the garage rock stuff with with the strokes and the yeah yeah yes and the black keys and and things like that. And but also you know, paying homage to to the to the blues as much as Jack did and as much as the White Stripes did, you know, a lot of a lot of blues, a lot of um, a lot of female artists that he championed. So I mean, yeah, I think that the the shadow of the white stripe, and and to get to I think that the criticism that Meg isn't a good drummer is just lazy. It's really misogynistic, and I think it really just shits all over the fact that she was a solid, she's a solid drummer, and she served the song as a drummer. That doesn't mean you have to be Neil Purt on everything.
SPEAKER_03:I mean Ringo Starr was not an overly talented drummer, but he did exactly what was needed of him.
SPEAKER_01:Did exactly what was needed of him, and and he was and he was and he's good. I mean, you to be you you can be a solid good musician and not be Eddie Van Halen. I mean, that's yeah, that's fine.
SPEAKER_00:It doesn't mean you're a bad musician.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, there's different levels of of what kind of musician, and just because you're not flashy doesn't mean you're bad. Correct. And just because you're flashy doesn't mean you're good. I mean I agree with you, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I think if you look at the like I said, I think the white stripes in general, they're not gonna be for the mess. Once again, Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden isn't for the mess, but it does, they were able to create something that created other bands and a following. The white stripes, I will tell you this right now the way Oasis is selling out everything. If tomorrow they and that Jack White said, Hey, we're gonna go on a reunion tour. Me and Meg are gonna go on a reunion tour, they would sell out Coliseums all over the world.
SPEAKER_01:All over the place, all over the world, everywhere, all over the place. They they wouldn't have they they could play as many nights anywhere they wanted as long as they wanted. Correct. There's I mean, I was I was fortunate enough, and I say this a lot, I was fortunate enough to see them three times. Amazing every single time, and just you know, so professional, and just you know, but but also so that whole idea. I I think that we we lose, you know, now that things have become so calculated and so social media and everything, you lose like that danger in rock and roll. And I felt like you white the white stripes is one of those bands that had that because they could go up and do anything. I mean, they they they'll go from one song to another song, and they're all there's there's an interesting thing coming through, and I'm gonna have to we're gonna have to go this.
SPEAKER_03:The local H pet Shop Boys and the Mighty Giants, didn't they come before the White Stripes? They did. Yeah, but but they're not what the White Stripes were. Local H potentially, the Pet Shop Boys and the Mighty Giants are total different creatures in their own sense. I and I would say local H yeah, well they were while they were good, they didn't put out hits like Seven Nation Army, we're gonna be friends, fell in love with a girl, Icky Trump, Blue Orchard, Blue Orchard, and then not even that, the lead singer of of Local H also tried to go off on his own and try to create something, and it didn't work. So he went back to Local H after breaking up with the band and pulled another drummer in, and now they're touring as local H just as a lead singer and a drummer trying to do something else. So I I would disagree with that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, we're not I don't think, and I don't think we're saying that you know the white stripes did the two-person thing before anybody else. I mean, popular. And Jack was very open about the influence of the Flat Duo Jets, who he talked about. I mean, they were a two-piece, and if you listen to Flat Duo Jets, it's like the White Stripes before the White Stripes. I mean, now Jack went in a different way and did, you know, some you know the rock and blues stuff, but then he did other things and you know, and he and is throughout his career shown just the range of the kind of music that he writes. But um, I think the whole idea of you know the conceptualization of the band and how it was just really simple. And the whole idea that he and Meg were brother and sister and not former you know spouses. I mean, it was this whole it was mystery. Mystery and so the mystery of rock and roll, but also like that kind of like childlike quality, which was also kind of Nirvana-esque in a way, because Nirvana was always very simplistic. I mean, and they talked about how their songs were really simple. Um a lot of the white striped stuff, early stuff, what was really simple.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it was just like kind of bashing it out, and um and I think that they made it before that was that really stands true too when it comes to this. I think Jack White down the road. I don't think the Dead Weather and Arachna Tours will ever get the rock or hall of fame, but I think Jack White as a solo artist will get in the rock and roll of fame.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, you will. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:I don't think some of these other artists in the past will get into rock and roll of fame. I also think that we're gonna see an influx of artists get in soon that we're not gonna agree with because I think that musical taste, especially in the aid range that most of the viewers are listening to, the show are at, where our kind of sub-genres start kind of influencing how we listen and don't listen to things. Like we all might love Pearl Jam, but there might be a son of us that veer to the left for Iron Maiden, some of us might veer to the right for White Stripes, some of us might go forward and listen to I I you know, fucking name it and get it.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, yeah, I think you're right. It's it's it and I think that it one of the things that I especially the whole idea of like people talking about like like hip-hop and stuff, like not being rock and roll, and and you know, well, why is it the rock and roll hall of fame? And you've got people like Dolly Parton in there. And I'm like, what really drives me nuts about that is that it's a really narrow view of rock and roll, and that I think that rock and roll is actually a a melding of like, you know, blues and RB and you know, Americana and country music. I think that that's really what rock and roll, those two things that kind of came together to make rock and roll. So I mean you've got your you know, your influence of you know, people of color, you know, your your Chuck Berry's and your Lil Richards and all those people. Um, and then you've got your like you know, Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson and people like that. Um so the whole idea that like hip hop or country music is not a part of rock and roll is really kind of segregationist to me, and I don't care for it.
SPEAKER_03:So but I don't think rock and roll is even a style of music anymore. I don't think it's more of a I agree.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it's it's kind of because here's it's a lifestyle, it's this tagline that it was you know that Alan Freed came up with and all that stuff. I mean, it's it's just music, and it and it if anything, it's just a marketing thing. It's the rock and roll hall of fame, and I agree with you.
SPEAKER_03:You know, it's so it sounds better than the music hall of fame.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. But but for people to be like, you know, whoa, a band like Outcast doesn't belong in there. I mean, or you know, the Dolly part doesn't belong in there, you know, you can have that opinion, it's just not right.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, people are just dumb for being so close-minded to things. Yeah, things grow and change. The idea of what rock and roll is is more of it is the true, I think the rebellious and the raw nature of what music is. It's not so commercialized. I will say that if they start putting in like Britney Spears and Backstreet Boys, I I might start questioning the legitimacy of I would agree with you with things. But when you start talking about Salt and Pepper, who in in the I what you think of I when I think of rock and roll, I think of that like changes, progressiveness, moving forward, doing that salt and pepper to a T. Outcast to a T. Sound guards.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, all that when they talked about well, and I also especially when when Outcast was talking about the dungeon that they recorded in. Oh I think that and you think about like the white stripes playing in like the tiny little club and stuff like that. I mean, I think that we aren't gonna see a lot of bands like that nowadays because now it's just oh, I just put my single up on SoundCloud and do this or do that, and there's very little of this. I mean, like SoundGarden slugging it out in shitty clubs and you know, spilled beer and and cigarettes and stuff like that. I mean, that those places don't exist in the same way that they used to back in the you know the 70s and 80s and and and into the 90s. I mean I agree.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna say something right now that might piss off some people, but I would better you than me. Well, good. I'll tell I will eat crow for the next one. I will say that outcast is more rock and roll than bad company. I'm just gonna put it out there.
SPEAKER_01:I I would I would agree with that. But so let's so okay, so let's let's let's move on. Well, let's go to the let's go so oh the performances because yeah, yeah. So I loved I thought the feist and Olivio Rodrigo were gonna be friends was fantastic. Beautiful, so great, so great, so good. What did you think of 21 Pilots 7 Nation Army?
SPEAKER_03:That was the biggest load of shit I've seen in my life. Thank God.
SPEAKER_01:I don't fucking hated it. I don't like them. They're from Columbus, and I grew up I've been born in Columbus. I don't give a shit where they're from. The whole thing with the shit on their face. Yeah, it made no sense. It was a bass.
SPEAKER_02:He's playing bass.
SPEAKER_01:And the other thing is it pissed me off as they had the grit they had that bass and that drum kit up there, and I was like, oh, ooh, maybe they're gonna have Meg. They they they they tried to trick us.
SPEAKER_03:They did try to trick us, yes, they did.
SPEAKER_01:And then they yeah, so he plays bass, and it was it when you're supposed it's not supposed to be about you.
SPEAKER_03:You know what really pissed me off too? Like they're all like they had like this random ass, like fucking aerial, like uh looks up, and then it's when you see his face. Oh, nation army.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, I was like, is Jack just gonna run up there and hit them with a stick? Because I didn't like that.
SPEAKER_03:Who fucking picked up?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's terrible.
SPEAKER_03:And listen, I understand Jack White has done his fair share of picking, because I've seen him quite a few times, and some of his artists had opened up for him great, and some of them are fucking dog shit. And he's more open to that. But that is a huge blunder because what Olivia Rodrigo and Feist were able to do was something amazing.
SPEAKER_01:I thought it was really great.
SPEAKER_03:It was just they cared about the song. Yeah, I thought that was something too. Like they cared about something.
SPEAKER_01:I felt they were really feeling it. They didn't 21 Pilots, there was no feeling, there was no emotion. They made it about themselves. Yeah, yeah. I thought they totally made it about themselves, and I thought it was dumb, and I hated it. So, so I don't like that.
SPEAKER_03:And then you have his speech. Now, I've heard mixed phrase. Some people loved it, and some people hated it because they didn't understand it. But I think I don't understand how it was very obvious about I totally you and me get it, but I think for some people, I guess the bad company fans didn't fucking get it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, he was he was emotional. You could tell he was feeling emotional. You you could tell it was hard. Um it was hard for him to talk about Meg, I think. It was I think he still has a lot, I think they still have a lot of feeling for each other, you know, even though they're not they shared a lot of you know life together and a lot of uh things before they became super famous. But uh yeah, I thought it was really emotional. I thought he you know pointed out people that he you know, people that influenced him. I thought it was a a perfect, you know, a perfect speech. Um as I I thought it was I was like, wow, I think that's gonna be like the most emotional speech of the night until we got to Soundgarden, which I thought was was definitely the emotional high of the evening. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, so I think I think when it comes to Jack White, I thought his speech was good. I thought Olivard Rigo and Feistigwell, I thought 21 Pilots was a miss. And this is once again the I think this is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame not truly thinking things through. Yeah, yeah. And I think they were just I don't think I can't imagine Jack White pick fucking 21 pilots. I could be wrong. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01:I I could be wrong too, but I just don't, yeah. I think it's one of those and and I and see what they do these things like the rock and roll Hall of Fame kind of has like their favorites, and they'll they'll do this with that like poor Cheryl Crow. How how much how long had she been put through the ringer inducting people and stuff before she got into the rock hall? Yeah, that's right. So I hope that 21 Pilots is is not one of those because they just I call me an old man, I don't get it. No, I'm getting it.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sitting on my porch for this one. I am waving my cane. All right, so Alcast was next. Um, this is where there was a lot of I blame the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for this. The speech was a home run for me, except the fact that I think Alcast had way too many people.
SPEAKER_01:Um I thought that that just but I thought I I think that that's just like even when like didn't last year when Tribe got in, didn't Tribe have a whole bunch of things.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they had a shit ton of people up there, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And that's great, and and that's I think that really just is just shows, you know, that familial attitude of everything. But yeah, at some point you're like, I don't even know who half these people are. I don't know. And then they'd be like, hey, where's Jim? And you're like, Jim's not even on stage, we don't even know where the hell he is. But Jim just detailed my car yesterday.
SPEAKER_03:I want to let you know why he makes music so great.
SPEAKER_01:But I thought that but I thought, you know, the um the emotion was there, and especially when when Andre started talking about Jack White and the comment about little rooms and and that things happen in little rooms. Um I thought that that was really and and when he was like, you know, I I love you, and he Jack White was like, I love you too. And it was I thought that that was really cool. And that's what I that's what I love about like the one of the things I love about the rock hall induction ceremony is is like nothing's better than when they shoot out to the crowd and there's just like anonymous white people just having a ball. Like like I love it when I know who it is, like you know, oh, there's like Edgar Winner busting his ass, you know, dancing his ass off. But I love it when they just show some rando white person who's like, yeah. I mean, they just fucking digging it.
SPEAKER_03:So I I it was and they showed a lot of that.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, there always is, and that's my that's like my favorite thing is when they just like like somebody's really busting it to none neo business or whatever, like, and they're singing the lyric all the lyrics to Salt and Pepper. It's the best.
SPEAKER_03:No, it was good. I thought so. I thought the speech was good. I, you know, it was a I was a little bummed that Andre 3000 didn't perform, but I understood it because when he said he was leaving, that he felt he wasn't relevant to raping music, wasn't gonna perform again, that he was removing himself for it. Like, I guess he meant it forever.
SPEAKER_01:You should have busted out that flute. I was I was disappointed that he didn't perform, but I do have to say, and I felt bad for Doja Cat because something happened at the beginning during Mrs. Robinson where she was singing and the other guy was rapping, it all got messed up.
SPEAKER_03:I see, but I think this is that is a prime example of where I think they didn't do the homework involved to get this all together because that was sloppy. But I thought Tyler the creator, I don't know if it killed it, but he fucked it, he killed it bombs over bag that I was like holy, he came out with energy I've never seen before, and I was like, Yeah, I was like, wow, like I that like in like I was totally enthralled by that. Oh yeah, but I thought it was I thought it was I thought it was a great performance, so it was it was really a lot of technical difficulties um throughout a couple things, even that I thought that DJ's um mic was way too high over big boys. I thought there was there was a lot of just like confusion, and I thought this is where one of them where they didn't know who to focus on, and yeah, but Tyler Creator saved it. I thought Doja Cat really just didn't know. I don't know if she didn't know the lyrics, something happened, but she was lost and she gave up.
SPEAKER_01:And she did, I felt bad for her, but yeah, Tyler the Creator, yeah, and and then to have like big boy at the beginning and then big boy at the end, I thought that that was really good. So yeah, but uh I've watched the Tyler Creator Bobs over Baghdad like 20 times. I mean, I love that song, and he just he just killed it. He had all the lyrics and everything, so it was great.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh next was Soundgarden, um, which thinks because I know Mark Kirby was messaging me. He's like, I have to sign off before SoundGarden. But so with Soundgarden here, this is an interesting thing. This is one where the rock fucked him big time because there were so many technical difficulties throughout the entire speeches, performances, videography. I thought this was sloppy, and they gave uh Soundgarden had the majority of time when it came to uh speeches, performances, speeches, everything, and and subperformances. Soundgarden had a ton of time. Oh yeah. And so I under so The Rock was respecting that, but they were not prepared. Yeah. The early the early speech by um Jim Carrey, which I know some people didn't like it. I I know that you've kind of already expressed that you're a distaste in it. I didn't hate it.
SPEAKER_01:I didn't hate it, it just it seemed like he was making it about him a little too much, and that to me was like but that's what but that's what Jim Carrey, yeah. That's Jim Carrey.
SPEAKER_03:So I think there would there would have been better options, I do believe. I think Jim Carrey was a safe one, but I do think that there's you know, I was trying to think what would have been the better option.
SPEAKER_01:I was hoping that like well, because they announced that Jerry Cantrell was gonna be there, and I was like, oh, maybe Jerry's gonna induct them, and then oh Mike McCready's gonna be there. Oh, maybe Mike's gonna induct them. So that's where I was I I was hoping it would be somebody that had a little bit more of a connection to to Seattle and to them, not not somebody that, like, oh, I hosted Saturday Live.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, I even think like the Iggy pop for white stripes is a little lackluster, a little bit in its own sense. I was like, yeah, that's kind of oh Iggy. Iggy in his sandals, his like well, the one the one that's like four inches taller than the other one because of his porn.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, because he does yeah, so it's Iggy, come on, man.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but anyway, but yeah, so this one, so you had his um daughter, um, which I thought that was great. Uh speak uh with Jim Carrey. But also I love the fact that he that with talking about Soundgarden in general, you know, she talks about her mother who was Soundgarden's original manager and how important she was to the success of Soundgarden. So I thought that was good. I love the fact that they gave Chris Cornell his roses because he definitely deserves it. Chris Cornell, I will say this until I'm dead in the ground. Um, there's like four or five through my lifetime, being born in '85 to now, musicians that I was able to hear that were alive around that time, that were like angelic, that were like the you know, the the Led Zeppelin of my time when they come to range. And Chris Cornell is number one in that list all the time.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:Jeff Buckley, Jeff Buckley is not far behind, but Chris Cornell had a range that is out of this world.
SPEAKER_01:Like you you know it's and it's so sad, like, because they were friends, and could you imagine like a uh an album with Jeff Buckley and Chris Cornell? I mean, how amazing that would have been. I mean, if Jeff would have lived, and I mean, so yeah, but uh but yeah, I mean you're right that just he was just such a and so creative with the way he wrote songs and so prolific. He wrote so they wrote so many songs, and and just and and just like doing it like doing it their way. They're just like this is what we're gonna, this is what we're gonna be, and this is who we're gonna, and we're gonna be the the weird alternate tuning, you know, heavy metal punk band. I mean, I think a perfect melding of of punk and heavy metal. Well, I think is what Soundgarden was.
SPEAKER_03:I think Soundgarden was the bridge that led to Grunge because they were the people that got out, they got you out of hair metal. Like if you were a child in hair metal and you were growing into a new music, you found Soundgarden, you fell in love with Soundgarden, and then you're like, what's next? And then they're like, let me introduce you to my friends.
SPEAKER_01:Well, by the way, a band like Soundgarden or Alice and Chains, I think they both do, they were both, they're the gateway drug to grunge. Correct. Like, yeah, like they just like because you because they are there, there's metal enough, and you know, and then you're like, hey, maybe I could check out you know, Temple of the Dog, or maybe I could check out these other bands that you know were still heavy, but not like but not like heavy in that like Sabbathy riffy kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03:But if you were a Black Sabbath fan, you could listen to Soundgarden because it fits in. If you were a hair metal fan, like I don't know, Motley Crue, you still could listen to Soundgarden and Fit In. Or if you were a Ramones fan, you could listen to Soundgarden and Fit In. Yeah. There were it was a really weird way of getting different people to talk and get together. And that's where the idea of rock and roll comes into place. Because at that time, if you said rock and roll hall of fame, a lot of people would be like, well, heavy metal is not rock and roll. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Grunge is not rock and roll. But as things progress and you can start seeing how things pull from each other, that's what rock and roll is. It's a growth and and and display of music in two other varieties of things. Just because it doesn't sound a certain way to you doesn't make make it anything less or more than what rock and roll is. But um, so yeah, so we had a speech from the daughter and Jim Carrey, then it went to their performances, which was unfortunately, I mean, I think um I think there was like two guitars that weren't working in the fucking beginning. That's part of the drum kit wasn't working. The second the then the handoff and the second It was just sad. And it sucks because this is like this is your one shot to get it fucking right. And and and you're the rock and roll hall of fame. This is what you you should have some of the best production team in the world.
SPEAKER_01:I would think so. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And this was you guys fucked it up big time. And then what's go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I I I was super impressed. I was at the when I heard she was gonna sing for Soundgarden, Taylor Mommsen. I was like, what are they doing? That'll that'll be the second episode of Brian Meddy Eats Crow because god damn it, she killed it. I mean, she killed it. She killed it. And I was like, you have got to be kidding me. Because I was like, she could sing for Soundgarden. She hit everything in, you know. Did she do did they do Rusty Cage? Uh they did they did Black Hole Sun with with Brandy, but I think she did Rusty Cage. She she hit everything. She with the low parts, you know, the low, the high, she could she was a pretty good substitute for Chris Cornell, and I was really impressed by that. Yeah. I thought I thought I was really I and I and I also didn't know that they had toured with Soundgarden on that last tour, which I there so there was a connection there, and I thought that that was fine. But uh but yeah, I was super impressed.
SPEAKER_03:I have a question for you though that that I was asked before we move on with Soundgarden, because this entitled in in theory works with Soundgarden Outcast White Stripes. This is gonna be yes or no, will it happen? Okay, could you see the white stripes ever reuniting in the future? I don't think so. I think this was the nail in the coffin at the rock and roll of fame. Do you ever see Outcast ever reuniting in the future? Possibly. I say no. I think this was the nail in the coffin based off the rock and roll of fame. Do you see Soundgarden in some sort of formation touring in the future?
SPEAKER_01:Uh now that Matt has left Pearl Jam, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:I agree with you on that one. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And I don't know what I don't know what they'll do for a singer. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd have a female singer, but yes, I think that they're absolutely, especially with whatever this new album that they have, that they're finishing up some songs that Chris had, there will be there will be some Soundgarden action. I agree.
SPEAKER_03:I agree.
SPEAKER_01:Even if it's just like, even if it's just like short tours, not really like they're not gonna do epic three-hour shows, but I can schools or something like that. Yeah, yeah, I could I could totally see that happening. And I and and I would be the first person to say, hey Taylor Mommsen, go sing for Soundgarden, because I think you've got the chops, girl.
SPEAKER_03:Now, you had after their performance, you had uh their speeches, which they came out that I thought they did very well on.
SPEAKER_01:Um Hero, I was so happy that Hero was included, and god damn it, he was so happy. He just his like enthusiasm was a nice balance to the somberness, I think, of the rest of the band. Um for him, I think it really felt like he was one of the one of the people that it really felt like he made it a celebration. Um, where I felt like the other guys were, you know, they were in mourning, they missed their brother. And I really felt especially um especially Kim. I I thought that was Kim is usually not the type of person to show a lot of emotion. And I think it that I think it was really hard for him. And it's and Ben is always super quiet, which is and he didn't say any much either because I think it was just really hard for them. And I get I get that. I think it's terrible. It's a it's a it's a sad thing.
SPEAKER_03:No, it is, and I I mean I I can't believe it's been eight years since Chris passed. Um that that one when we talk when I saw that when I heard those numbers during the event, I was like, I feel like it was just yesterday.
SPEAKER_01:Um and I'm it feels like it was yesterday or it's been like a hundred years. It just feels like it's like the the the gap that his that his absence has left. Um just feels like vast. Like, you know, how much could how much more great music and just stuff could that he could have uh that he would have created because he was just such a such a you know creative force and was always doing something.
SPEAKER_03:And now comes the point where I wanted to fucking throat punch the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You have what became a blubbering, crying Anthony at the next performance um of Chris Cornell's daughter, uh uh Tony, comes out uh for Fell on Black Days, which I I will say is this is where professionalism comes in because fucking poor Nancy Wilson's guitar was not working. Yeah, in and out like crazy. But you know she killed that song.
SPEAKER_01:She killed it. She sang so well.
SPEAKER_03:The first half was in and out, and then the second half they finally got her fucking guitar right, but her voice, the way it carried, her look I was just like, and I kept thinking of like my daughter, and I I was like, I can't do it. Like, yeah, and it was no, it was awesome. That that was a fucking home run for me, and it was a home run in the idea of it, home run for Tony Cornell, but it was a fucking blunder for the Rocker Hall of Fame, and it's just shocking to me at this point of the evening.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my god, it I mean how many times, yeah, all like somebody just get their shit together, man. I mean, it started from the it started from the jump with you know with the bad company stuff. And it and how does it always fall on Nancy Wilson? It's always her guitar, but they couldn't get an acoustic guitar to work.
SPEAKER_03:Can we just get her a guitar that works? I mean, for fuck's sake, she's been around long enough. Yeah, just fucking get her guitar to work, man. So definitely so I loved it. It was good, it was a good time. Now we had Cindy Whopper come out, which I was surprised because I thought she was closing out the whole event, the way things were rolling. I thought she was too. And we'll get to that in a little bit. But Cindy Lauper comes out. Um, Chaperone, I I this is where I was like, this you I understand why Cindy picked her. I get it. She looks at her as a future of the LGBTQ movement that Cindy was a part of. She is a current artist that is very much in the same light as her everything, but she fucked that up so bad that they literally they cut her short. Like she was fucking up and they cut the video and went right to music. Like I've it was just it was bad.
SPEAKER_01:It was so and she kept she's like, Oh, I should have worn my glasses. And I'm like, Well, you how are you gonna be able to read? Well, and apparently, and let's go back to the production thing again, because when childish Gambino is inducting, he had to keep telling people to sit down because they're blocking the teleprompter. I forgot. And the same thing, why are people in front of the teleprompter?
SPEAKER_03:I didn't forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01:You like it was incorrect. And he's like, You guys gotta sit down. I can't, I can't see.
SPEAKER_03:I I just want to put a hypothetical out there. This speech was so fucking long because so many mistakes. You're telling me nobody in the back could have pressed print on a fucking printer and ran out the damn thing to her, or like that would have been more bigger.
SPEAKER_00:Or make the font bigger.
SPEAKER_03:But even I think she might have been, I think she might have had a couple of drinks in her. She was a little bigger. Sure. You know, I wouldn't be surprised. And she's very young, and I and yeah, I don't anyway.
SPEAKER_01:And it was hard for her to keep her head, she had to keep her head still with that goddamn headdress thing she had on.
SPEAKER_03:I mean That was probably what a hundred pounds.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe yeah, maybe a little conservative on the on the chandelier on your head next time. But you know, so that was yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It that was kind of uh but I thought but this is I thought the the performance Cindy Laura put on was amazing. Such such a great artist. So very commandingly feel I'm not a huge Cindy Laura fan. I you know uh and but she know the songs. I mean, and and and I understand what she means to music and how she has revolution revolutionized music and media and everything in its own sense to be a voice for people that didn't have a voice, and the way that she carried music in a way that others couldn't carry, and the fact that she was doing it up until she just called a quit after this past summer.
SPEAKER_01:She was and she was doing it against Madonna. I mean, she was like it was her and Madonna going you know toe to toe for all those years. And my only my only criticism of that performance was that they didn't get all the other women on stage until late in the until late in the set. I mean, and and they had you know, but get Olivia Rodrigo up there, get Feiston, get them all up there, get all the women up there. Yeah, get all the women up there.
SPEAKER_03:I don't even think Chaperone came out and sang with her. She was side stage. She did not.
SPEAKER_01:I think I don't think she could have moved. I don't think she could have. I honest honestly, yeah. That that outfit was very restrictive, and but yeah, I I thought they really missed an yet again the production, another missed another opportunity to get like a real big, you know, girl power thing out there for girls who just want to have fun.
SPEAKER_03:You could have had even other artists because I thought I thought uh Avril Levine, I was like, God damn, like I didn't realize I mean she did an excellent job. Excellent. She was great, yeah. You could have knocked the end of the show off with having Brandy Carlisle out there.
SPEAKER_01:You could have had yes, Brandy Carlisle, Taylor Mons could have been they all should have been out there, but no, it's a girl power thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that's how you end the show. But you know what we fucking got? You know what we fucking got. Joe Cocker, baby. And I'm gonna tell you something. I was shit on this past week by Brad, who I which I wonder if he was calling because he said, Well, I said, Well, Joe Cocker didn't, he was he all he did was he was really good at covering songs. He's like, Well, then he's the greatest at covering songs, but that's not the point. I just joke the the the Joe Cocker's most popular songs are cover fucking songs, and yes, they're influential, and blah blah blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_01:But he's at Woodstock and all that stuff, and yeah, great.
SPEAKER_03:Congratulations, so was Jimi Hendrix and so many other great people, Santana. Exactly. Yeah, that's the Who. But the thing is, Joe Cocker does not belong closing out the fucking rock and roll hall of fame for 2025 when you had people like Soundgarden and Cindy Loffer who could have easily closed it out with a better performance with more people coming on stage. The whole and then it was just like I think they were like, oh well, the song um has friends in the title, and we could have musicians come out and they could pretend they're friends, and that's a great way of closing the show out. And everyone's like, oh, fucking great idea. And then they went with it, and I'm sorry, it fucking sucked. Um that that was a dud that to me was a dud. I I it's I thought it was I mean, I thought it was fine.
SPEAKER_01:It was but it was very you know what it was safe and it was cliche. Let's end it on a Beatles song that a with friends that a bunch of people can come and sing. You know, it's like it's like when they ended it's or it's like when they did my guitar gently weeps and Prince came and did the solo and tore the house down. That's different. That is different, that is way different. But this is like, oh, it's it's what's the safe choice? Oh, we end with the Beatles song. We end with a Beatles song when it could have been girls just want to have fun, and that would have been just as girls just want to have fun with all the women up there, but whatever. But yeah, I and I thought, you know, I thought the performance was fine. Um, and all and all those musicians are are great musicians, especially the Tedeski Trucks, you know, band. But uh I never heard of them before. Oh, they they but a Dare Trucks and I mean yeah, they're they're like all virtuoso music musicians, and they're all great. They're a great band. And and uh I it was nice to get, you know, uh what's his name up there from the Black Crows? And uh you could I I was surprised that uh I liked um what's his name? It's not uh it's not jelly roll, it's the other guy with tattoos on his face. But uh I liked him who was the guy that had no not postmalone, the other guy with tattoos on his face. There's there's post Malone, there's Jelly Roll, and then there's the other guy third guy, which I don't remember his name. He's got some other weird ass name, but uh and you know Nathaniel Raitliffe and all that, it was it it was just safe and cliche.
SPEAKER_03:Let's just you know yeah, just not for me. Uh you know, yeah, when I think of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and especially when I, you know, as someone who grew up loving music and what music means to me, and once again, I know I'm shitting on some bands, and some people are gonna watch some of these clips and be like, fuck you, man, bad company saved my life, and they might have.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, if they saved your life, that's great.
SPEAKER_03:I'm glad that they saved your life, and they but they're not they're not my like Joe Cocker got me to start singing, or Warren Zevon songs are are prolific and they mean the world. That's great, and that might be for you.
SPEAKER_01:But for And I'm glad that they mean, yeah, yeah, it's for me, it's not it does nothing. For us, it's I mean, for us, it's not it's it's you know, Sound Guard and the White Stripes and Outcast and Well, listen, I had a look like that.
SPEAKER_03:When Eddie Vedder covered Warren Z Von in Baltimore, Maryland, in like 2009 when I saw him, he had a speech that was like 20 minutes long about what Warren Zvon meant to him. And guess what? I love Eddie Vedder, but I didn't give a fuck about hearing that. I did it.
SPEAKER_01:What what song did he do? Do you one Werewolves of London?
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, uh hold on. That that that that I might have dug that. Uh let's see. I could probably find it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm sorry, where I we talked about werewolves of London last time. I always sing that song when it's on the radio. I love that scene from Keep Me in Your Heart. Keep me in your heart for a while. Yeah, that's the that's the third Warren's Evan song that I know.
SPEAKER_03:So the third. So hey, yeah, the third one. The three. The three. But so yeah, so like I said, but it and it's all different for everyone. So and once again, it's like rock and roll, it's like the rock and roll of fame. Different music is gonna affect people differently. And I get it. Some some we're gonna agree with and some we don't. And I I still think that Mariah Carey deserves to be in. I think she's been shit on. I I think that there were some snubs this year that I hope to get in next year.
SPEAKER_01:Um so let's let's talk about um so let's talk about next year if we if we can. So I so and and we can talk about snubs and and stuff like that. So I went to our favorite website, which I what I can't remember what it is now, but it's like rock and roll legends or something, whatever. And so rock and rolllegends.com um or rocklegends.com uh has so it it they'll put it'll put up every year who what people are eligible for the first time, and then it'll put it has a list of people that aren't in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and how many times they've been nominated, and how many years it's been since that they've been eligible and all that kind of crap. So I went and looked through, and next year, first time eligibility is a little thin. We've got people like you know, we've got this early two the early 2000s stuff, like we talked about the strokes. So the strokes are eligible for the first time, the nationals are eligible for the first time, the yeah, yeah, yeah, um, Alicia Keys, Nora Jones. So I there's definitely not a there's not a like a Nirvana or a you know a band that's like, oh, there's our first ballot Hall of Famer type of a thing. So I think we've hit one of those one of those years where it's gonna be kind of getting in some of those people that have been sitting around for a while.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Um and so then I went and looked at uh the list of bands that haven't been in yet and like how many times they've been eligible, how many times they've been on the ballot. So I mean I I think in my mind, obviously Mariah Carey has been up two years in a row and did not get in for two years in a row. And two years ago, two years ago we were saying she's the first ballot. She should have been in.
SPEAKER_03:I agree with you.
SPEAKER_01:She should she should have been in, she should be in. That's all there is to it. Um, so she's the first one that popped up. Uh second Iron Maiden, three times they've been nominated, haven't gotten in yet. Um and now that I'm on the Iron Maiden train, that's that's that's you're you are leading this, you're shoveling the coal into that engine. But then, but then there were you know uh some others that popped up for me now. Uh Sheikh, you know, uh who's been nomin who's been nominated 11 times and still hasn't gotten in. Let's either put up or shut up on Sheik. Either put them in or don't, and just let's be done with it. Okay. Um, but then there are bands that I really love, and you know, the replacements Allison Chains, Steve O. If you want to really get crazy, put the Smiths in and see what happens with Johnny Maher and see if you know if Morrissey shows up. I mean, there could be a fist fight on stage. God knows what might happen. Um and like the New York Dolls, they've been I they're not somebody that I would pick, but they've been nominated three times and they and they haven't been in, and you know, uh they've all pretty much the rest of them almost died last year. So you know, there's definitely and then one that I brought up, it Radiohead. There's still Radiohead that's that's or Radiohead didn't get in, did they? I don't think they've gotten in yet.
SPEAKER_03:Uh I can check real quick.
SPEAKER_01:But I that really floated to the top.
SPEAKER_03:I think Radiohead might be in.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I'm looking at Snub list based on the eligibility.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe it was like two years ago that Radiohead got in. Yeah, I think Radiohead did get in. Yeah. Maybe last year.
SPEAKER_03:So he so do you have any more? Or you ready for me to go?
SPEAKER_01:No, that's that's no, that's but I mean, like, so okay, Elay's more said.
SPEAKER_03:Nine years she's been eligible, never been nominated. Never nominated. Uh Barry White has been eligible for 37 years, never been nominated. Uh, let's see, where else were we? Black Flag has been eligible for 22 years.
SPEAKER_01:They created an entire We've talked about the the disrespect of punk.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And and I mean, you've got like Black Flag, you've got Fugazi, you've got bands that like The Dead Kennedys. The Dead Kennedys.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, bands like Echo and the Bunny Man. Echo and the Bunnymen. I mean, um, flaming lips. I I mean I know that's gonna be I don't know if they'll ever get in. Um Iron Maiden has been 21 years and two nominations never in. Uh I don't know, Jay, I don't think Jane's addiction will ever get in, even though they've been nominated twice for 13 years of eligibility.
SPEAKER_01:I think they will, but then that's gonna also be one of those things where they're not gonna show up. And or you know, is now after the after the Perry thing and all that, but yeah, but yeah, so I mean I think that we've reached some of those some of these lull years where we've got people that are gonna get in. Uh you know, I the pixies, the pixies, the pixies. Where are the joy division? 22 years Joy Division. How many times we they even tried it with New Order last year, and it still didn't work. So just the like yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh you know, another one. I uh you know, Sinead O'Connor is another one, 13 years eligible, but nominated once never got in.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, and that she got nominated right after she died, and we thought she was gonna get in that year, and she didn't.
SPEAKER_03:Or even Oasis. Oasis is another one that like I understand they're now reunioned, but they have so many hits they've and they're so big overseas. I don't know. And then you know, our big one, Tori Amos, 38 years eligible. Yeah, oh no, nine years eligible, and still not a fucking s come on. Give the girl or do give her a flower. Wu Tang clan. I mean, if you're gonna I mean, I think they're there should be a fucking shoe-in. But then, you know, there's one that there was an article put out by Rolling Stone this week about, you know, is Weird Al rock and roll royal.
SPEAKER_01:I am a I am a Weird Al truther. Weird owl should be in. Weird owl should be in, weird owl should be in. I totally just yeah, I mean, he the fact that he's made it, he just released tour dates for 2026 for he's doing like 70 shows. I mean, he is still performing, he is still putting out records, he is the only comedic performer to have like charted songs in four decades. I mean, he's still doing it, he created not didn't create this whole genre of music, but he you know did it unto himself, and and yeah, I think that there's no question that in my mind that Weird Al should be in.
SPEAKER_03:So, do you want to hear the betting odd favorites by Vegas right now of going in? Okay, so the top ones right now are Billy Idle. Okay, well, yeah, okay, Iron Maiden Iron Maiden, Phil Collins, Mariah Carey! Yes, a second time nominee who bounced successful solo career with his work in Genesis, um, and with his art with his due health and his consistent work with the Rock and Hall of Fame, it almost seems almost with betting odds of 82% based off Vegas odds, Mariah, Mariah Carey, Joy Division, and then the uh they start going in to uh the lower odds, and they say the uh artists newly eligible with growing momentum would be Alicia Keys, the Strokes, Coldplay, B52s, and no doubt over the last five years. Oh, not cold play, not cold play. And they well, they say, well, Coldplay, a major global act that's been eligible since 2023, consistently works for rock and roll of fame. Uh B-52s, absolutely. Queens of Stone Age are considered a significant band. They are at a betting odds of 22%. Ario Speedwagon are coming in at 62%. Uh and then Wu-Tang Clan, they say, are the betting odd favorite for the hip-hop group that would be uh brought in at 82%. And then some other acts they talked about would be Melissa uh Missy Elliott, which I thought she was in. She's already in, yeah. Oh, to perform. I'm sorry. Betting odd favorites to perform for next year. Um, they have betting odds you can perform the who's in perform?
SPEAKER_01:That's weird. Uh huh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah. So and and I can see that. I still think Oasis is going in next year. I think that is, I think Oasis is I mean, I thought they were going in this year.
SPEAKER_01:I thought this was a fucking I was really surprised. I was really surprised that they didn't put them in, especially after like all the you know, I actually heard an interesting theory about why they about why they decided to reunite on TikTok the other day from a guy who's in the music industry, and it made so much sense. And I was like, wow, that was really smart. So you know how all these artists are selling like their catalogs to investment companies and stuff?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So they said that over the years the the the interest in the Oasis catalog has really dropped, and you know, and Noel, you know, wrote all the songs, so Noel has basically all of the interest in selling the songs. Um, but it's not as exciting. And after they broke up, Liam has had more interest in his career than people have been interested in Noel's career. So they were wondering, people were speculating if Noel said, Hey, let's reform, we'll go on tour, we'll get some interest in the catalog, and then I'll give you a cut when I sell it. So he'd cut Liam in on some of the money. Because I mean, look like uh KISS just sold their catalog for like$350 million, which I thought was low for KISS. I thought so, too. I agree. Not only just the catalog, they sold everything, like the merchandising rights.
SPEAKER_03:Well, the merchandise, the merchandising rights, they what's it called? They still they still own 40% of it. Yeah, so they're such a huge kickback.
SPEAKER_01:But they sold 60% of everything. So I mean they sold it all, um, which is pretty and a lot of these, and also a lot of these people, these a lot of these acts that that sell their catalogs, like they tended to be more pop-oriented. I think you look at like Justin Timberlake and and people like that. And I mean, obviously, you've got people like Neil Young and you know, people that have been around forever that have sold, you know, part of their catalogue. I think the Who recently did as well. But um I thought that that was an interesting, uh, an interesting idea that you know to drum up interest in the catalog to get that that price higher um to do the tour, which I think makes sense. But everybody said the tour, you know, was great and and loved the show.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, I mean look, Bruce Springsteen sold his for 550 million of Sony Music, Bob Dylan sold his for 300 million, Stevie Nick sold hers for 100 million. Queen is in the process of a record-breaking deal worth 1.27 billion. Wow, that is amazing.
SPEAKER_01:Oh damn. That is good for Queen.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god. Yeah, they're good for Queen. They've been working on that since 2024. Uh, let's see, Michael Jackson's uh he sold 50% of his stake for 600 million to Sony Music. Uh Pink Floyd sold their catalog for 400 million to Sony Music, uh, which is surprising to me. Kiss was yeah, 300 million to Pop House Entertainment.
SPEAKER_01:I thought that was low for them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Sting was 250 to Universal Music Group. I still the David Bowie estate sold theirs to Warner Chapel Music for 250 million. I go this list is I know I'm gonna go through this real quick because it is some interesting ones. Yeah, uh Katy Perry sold hers for 225 million. Uh I don't get it. I don't understand. Because look, I mean then then Dr. Dre sold his for 200 million.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean I I thought I think about I've heard this, and I'm like, would Pearl Jam ever sell their catalog? I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03:Well, Red Out Chili Pepper sold a few publishing rights for 140 million.
SPEAKER_01:That's pretty that's a good deal. Yeah I just don't think Eddie would want to do that. I don't think it's I don't know. I mean, they could, and if they do, it's perfectly fine.
SPEAKER_03:But it's their it's a but queen, yeah. 1.27 billion dollars do your thing. That's awesome. You know what? If you think about it, Michael Jackson sold 50% of his for$600 million. God.
SPEAKER_02:Anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Crazy. So yeah, I think it's I th I definitely think that there's, you know, hopefully there's some room to move on some of these acts that we really enjoy. I mean, I like I did hear somebody like, why is how is Soundgarden getting in before Alice and Chains? And I'm like, yeah, I think we're really splitting hairs on on something like that. I mean, I think I think that uh both hugely influential bands. I think Alice and Chains gets in at some point. I think that uh, you know, Soundgarden was just I know and I know that SoundGuard and Alice and Chains relatively signed you know major label deals around the same time. But I mean, obviously Soundgarden was the you know the the at the forefront of that movement, and you know and uh you know I think they put Seattle on the map before everything you know totally blew up. But I agree with you.
SPEAKER_03:I can agree with that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think I think uh actually there's um it's it's not great, so don't get excited if you're a Lane Staley fan, but uh Lane's mom published a book of his uh journals and some artwork and stuff that uh was published last week. Um I bought the uh I bought the ebook. Um I wasn't terribly impressed with it. But if you're a but if you're a Lane Staley fan, it's um it's interesting. I mean there's there's some stuff with his some art stuff and and things like that, but it's not uh not super comprehensive and you know it's not gonna unlock any you know doors of truth or whatever that you think you might find. It's it's kind of like less than the cochromane journals, but uh that's out there if you're interested.
SPEAKER_00:If you've got a Lane Staley fan on your Christmas list, Anthony, what do you want for Christmas?
SPEAKER_03:Um I want a day off.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's that is exactly what I fucking want. I want a day off. Um, no, I I bought myself um so I have next year, so I've I will finish this year off with uh 13 half a marathons and 10 10k's next year. I just signed up for I'll find out which one I'm doing on Friday. Um I'm doing my first Iron Man in June of next year, and then I'm also waiting to hear uh if I got into Unbound, which is a 200-mile gravel bike race. Um so I bought myself a new Garmin watch that was quite expensive, which I just got right. It literally came in the mail and rang the doorbell before the show started, so it's sitting in a box upstairs. Um, and I do believe uh I d uh I I've I've I've waited to press enter or accept on the cart, but I do believe I think I'm gonna get the uh Jack White Telecaster.
SPEAKER_01:Oh now what color are you going to get? Black or blue or the blue one. The blue one for sure. Yeah, so the triple caster.
SPEAKER_03:Yep, yep, yeah. So there's been a couple I'm waiting to see what happens for Black Friday. Um to see it because I've I've heard that they're gonna be doing some deals. Um I have I I don't know why, but I have a credit card uh just for just for that that shop. So um and it's and it's a zero balance, and it's just you know, with a with a nine thousand dollar limit. Oh, and it's like hey, it's just it's just and and that's in my my safe, and I hear it every night whispering just do it.
SPEAKER_02:Just do it.
SPEAKER_03:So I mean I'll sit next to my uh my uh my Jack White ukulele. I don't know if you can see it. Oh yeah on the up on the shelf over there from Third Man Records. So but over here.
SPEAKER_01:Is that is that is that gold guitar behind you?
SPEAKER_03:Is that an epiphone or is that a it is it's the one I went to when I went to Nashville, it's a but it's my bass. Um I have been playing a lot more. It's been the first time I started really picking up again because I played bass in a band. Um but I've been playing a lot more with my daughter. Um, but that is uh the one when I went to Nashville that I was able to put together um and uh play with. And yeah, I brought back from Nashville. So yeah, that is my that's my little my my favorite over there.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, I've I have my I like the gold top. I love it.
SPEAKER_03:I I've always wanted a hollow body, and yeah, it it just it it's got a really unique sound to it. Um no, I really I really dig it and We've uh I've my first band I was ever in was called The Suits. And me and my buddy Paul would wear these corduroy suits and we would go to open mic nights and we'd play three songs very shittily and we'd fucking play and leave. And we were because we just we were fucking determined that we were the best thing anyone heard that night, we're the only thing that everyone's gonna like that night, and we left because we didn't want to get mobbed by our fans. Little did we know that we were not good, um, we were just a gimmick act, but it was fun, and um that's what it's about. It was yeah, it was it was my first introduction to being in a band and stuff, and uh I was joking because uh and I'm hoping I can figure it out here soon, but um, I want to raise money again for Smash out in Seattle like we did a couple years ago. And I talked to Paul, I'm like, Paul, I'm like, would you be open to the idea of like the suits getting back together and we do it in Seattle and like we invite other Seattle musicians we have connections with to come up and play music with us, and we'll make it a almost like a comedy, like the reunion of the suits, like having these actual talented musicians play with us. And um, I've actually reached out to a few musicians and uh they're like, This sounds fucking genius! Like, I'm down. And the thing is with Seattle, is like those those artists up there, like they're just down to do good stuff and raise money for good causes. So um I'm I'm thinking about it. I've really thought about for my 41st birthday out going out to Seattle and like playing uh the tasting uh Trey's tasting room out in Seattle and uh just having a bunch of random people, um, not random, just super talented musicians play with yeah, two random assholes in corduroy suits. Um, so yeah, you might you might actually see uh me and my epiphone up on stage, who the hell knows? Nice. Yeah, that sounds cool. Yeah, yeah. I've I have big plans for 41. I feel I will say, um, and maybe you probably had this with you too. The older you get, the more you either A, you move forward and do more in life so that you're accomplishing things and you want that. And then there's the other side of it where people are like, I've done enough, I'm gonna take it easy. And and I think for me, um, I was just like I I need I need to do more, I need to approve more to myself because I don't think I've proved enough uh proved enough to myself yet.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I want to keep doing stuff and just do more, do more, accomplish more things.
SPEAKER_03:I I I I agree with you on that one. And yeah, that's why I do these things. I'm hoping the ultimate goal is, you know, with Brady, my son, being able to drive soon that I'll be able to have more time to do podcasts because I feel like I'm his Uber driver. Um but yeah, that's you know, I have some big stuff coming up and we'll see if CO goes. And I want to do more with this show. I love fucking breaking shit down. I really want to rip apart a list soon. Like I feel like that is when we have our most fun, is when we just rip the out of a list.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I agree. It's uh gotta uh wait. I think we've gotta get on that uh that Saturday Night Live performance list is what I keep coming back to because it's it's also another it's also another uh you know Rolling Stone list, but you know, and you're just like, how is that like nothing never makes sense? No.
SPEAKER_03:But no, I think I think it'd be good. I do think maybe before the end of the year is I think we should come together and talk about maybe some of our favorite things from 2025. Music, music, music, movies, maybe stuff like that. We'll figure something out. I think that maybe own list. I think that'd be fun to kind of end 2025 with music, movies, something. I don't know, come up with this. I think that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_01:What's uh what what's one of what's one of your favorite movies been this year?
SPEAKER_03:Oh god, great question.
SPEAKER_01:And uh and I know you like you guys like horror and you like a lot of different stuff, so so yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So I loved Bring Her Back. That was a fantastic movie. Weapons was a fantastic movie, but I'm telling you right now, the home run hit of a movie this year was Frankenstein. Um really, oh my god. I got to see it in theaters. Um I was the lat Noseferatu was the last time I had this feeling was like you just sat there and were mesmerized by the visuals, the acting, the story, everything. And it didn't matter how long the movie was, you were just drawn in by what it was. It was, and this was a true interpretation of what Mary Shelley wanted Frankenstein to be. Fucking home run, absolutely home. If you it it just came out on Netflix, fucking watch it. And is I and I promise you, I did this, I was told before seeing it, like just turn your phone off, put in your pot, and just get lost. And I did it, yeah, and I don't regret it. Um, so that would be up there, and then um you know, you say this. I just I went into a running man today. That was uh Oh, did you like that?
SPEAKER_01:Okay, but I'm I'm a huge fan of the original, so yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, you know, there it's gonna be I mean, it definitely fits what's going on in the world nowadays because it's gonna be a good thing. It's like, oh shit, this kind of uh yeah, same things. Um, I will say, like, I just saw Predator's Badlands, that was good, Roofman was terrible, Black Phone 2 home run, the smashing machine got shit on. I thought the rock did a really good job on that, and I knew nothing about like UFC. The long walk was good. Uh what else? Uh good for oh, good fortune was a good one too. Okay, yeah. That was a Keanu. So I I go to the so I have the AMC movie pass, and what I'll do is like when I have lunch instead of doing like a lunch break, I'll work my jobs around so that I have enough break in between those two jobs to go to a movie.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, that's smart. That's what I try. I try to do. That's what happens when you work for yourself. We've been uh so we have like local, like a local theater chain in Cincinnati, and so we'll go they'll and they'll show a lot of older films. They'll do like they did like a 40th anniversary, Back to the Future, they did a the 50th anniversary screening of Jaws and stuff like that. So I'll take my youngest who's 12 now to go see stuff like that, so he can actually see them in the theater instead of just watching them on something TV. So we try to do that as much as possible, and that's uh that's always fun. It's something you're saying about going to a movie, it's like a concert, it's going you're you're with other people and it's a communal experience, and it really sucks. Like my so my wife will go see like a movie a week or whatever, and sometimes she'll go to the theater and she's the only one in it. Yeah, and and it's like you know, oh, it's a private screening. She's like, but that's not fun. It's not fun to you know, you want to that there's nothing like seeing a movie with a a huge uh you know, a whole theater full of people and the reactions and all kinds of stuff. It's some of the you know best experiences you'll have. And the fact that it's getting hard for some you know movies to make money in the theaters right now is is kind of shitty.
SPEAKER_03:So there it you know, like I some of my earliest memories in life are like going to movies like that.
SPEAKER_01:What me too just coming out from the back and like hitting the screen, and then you're getting brought into some you know, some part of a world or an environment or an idea of something that's and you can escape for like two hours and just kind of like be immersed in it, and it's just and it's I mean you can watch a movie at home, but it's just not the same. It's just like it's not the same as seeing it at a you know dark theater at a big screen.
SPEAKER_03:And I love popcorn. I mean, listen, I'm gonna tell you right now, if I didn't work out as much popcorn as I eat, I'd be I'd be a fucking whale of a person. I'm shitting you. I eat uh God there. So quick story before we call it quits. So I went, I went the when I went to Portland back in August. There is uh a movie theater uh called the Arabian, I believe it is, up in Portland. Yeah, and so Brad uh was bringing me around a couple things, and I my one of my first big jobs when I was a kid when I was 12 was working at a movie theater. I'd worked through movie theaters through college, like I put movies together. There's I have a very like bold-hearted like love for theaters and and the film and everything like that. So we were going around to different movie theaters, and like one of them the guy gave us tours of the projection booth and how it works, it was amazing. And then we went to the Arabian and I and I walked in, and I know this is sounds so fucking corny, but we go in, and the first thing I noticed in this massive, beautiful theater is the popcorn machine, and it is a 1957 Howard popcorn machine, which they don't make anymore. And it would the reason I don't make it anymore is because it's a true kettle, they don't make kettles anymore, they're stainless steel, and because the old kettles that they used to make they absorb the flavor, they just taste better. So I oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I had oh, so I had the popcorn and loved it. When I went back with uh Charlotte to go to Portland last month to go see Wolf Alice, I'm like, I am Charlotte. I can't wait for you how this popcorn. I'm so fucking excited about this. So we were when we were the day we're leaving, uh-huh, we take an Uber from Brad's house to this fucking movie theater, paid an extra 30 something, 20 something dollars, whatever it was, for an Uber drive to go there. And they opened later in the day and they were not having any popcorn ready. So I have been dreaming about that popcorn and that popcorn machine. Oh yeah. I've I've actually and no shit. I have my own popcorn machine in my house. Like I have a legitimate popcorn machine in my basement in my movie room.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I have tried purchasing one of these Howard popcorn machines. Like, I have tried there's some that come up on eBay, but they go for fucking 40, 50, 60 grand.
SPEAKER_01:Oh wow, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's just it knows it sounds weird. It's just there's some people that smoke food, there's some people that grill it. There is a unique art to the this god, who the fuck knew that a rock and roll of fame podcast would end in in uh popcorn talk, but um that's where it is. That's where it is. Yeah, so but no, yeah, let's uh come up with some dates for December. And we'll I think I think we do our end of the year, our own list, another unnecessary list of a list by our list for 2025.
SPEAKER_01:I think that sounds good. I do too.
SPEAKER_03:Brent, anything else you want to talk about before we uh call it a quits?
SPEAKER_01:Uh nope, just uh I just finished uh a poster for Shaky Graves, uh, which was really cool. He's always a nice guy to work with. And uh I'm doing a poster for uh Patton Oswald is coming into town and doing three nights at a comedy club here in Cincinnati. So I'll actually be selling signed posters uh at Patton's show uh at Go Bananas for three nights. So and holidays are coming, so you can always buy stuff at uh b-met-h-e.com, and we're gonna have some sales coming up and uh always free shipping. So feel free to stop by anytime.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's awesome. Uh, next Tuesday, I believe me and Trey are gonna do a thankful episode of Let's Talk Vinyl, and I am gonna be opening up probably one of the most expensive bottles of wine I've ever purchased. So I'm looking forward to that. Um, other than that, I've really got nothing else to announce. So I would say, if anything, go out, listen to music you never heard before, sit at the bar, talk to the person next to you, be social, be open, and enjoy life because you never know when will be taken from you. Until next time, I'm Anthony That's Brian, and this is another unnecessary list.