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Let's Talk Vine(YL)- Given to Fly: Life-Changing Moments Through Pearl Jam's Music
Today marks a milestone five years since we began this podcast journey together, amounting to 45 episodes, 1.7 million downloads, and nearly $47,000 raised for multiple charities. What's even more remarkable? We did the first three years of shows before ever meeting in person. That's the magic of Pearl Jam—creating connections that transcend physical distance.
Music serves as a comfort blanket for many of us, particularly during challenging times. For Anthony, who left home at 16 and slept in his car, Pearl Jam represented a search for belonging when people continuously entered and exited his life. For Trey, hearing "Ten" as a 19-year-old college student prompted him to drop out and move to Seattle, completely altering his life trajectory and eventually leading to a winery named after one of his favorite songs.
We share our most profound Pearl Jam memories—from Trey's experience at the legendary Drop in the Park show to Anthony's emotional journey photographing the band in Charlottesville after numerous rejections. That night, while photographing "Release" through tears, Anthony achieved a goal he'd thought impossible. These aren't just concert memories; they're life-defining moments.
The podcast conversation explores how the band's activism fostered similar qualities in fans. Their emphasis on empathy and giving back inspired both hosts to become more involved with charitable causes. Perhaps most meaningful are the friendships formed through this community—people who became chosen family rather than just fellow fans.
As we look toward the future, we remain grateful for how one band's authentic art transformed our lives in unexpected ways. And in true cosmic alignment, our fifth anniversary falls on the same day as the anniversaries of "Ten" (34 years) and "No Code" (31 years). Join us in celebrating not just music, but the enduring power of connection it creates.
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it is a holiday. Today is a day that I am. I never in a million years thought we would be saying and uh, by the way, that's uh, turnstile or turnstile that I've just recently fell in love with a song called Holiday and I felt like that was appropriate for today, because today is five years five years since we first started doing the show. I am beside myself when I think about that, because most podcasts don't last more than a year. Now, listen, do we do it every month? No, I mean, our schedules are pretty fucked as it is and we do it the best we can. As a matter of fact, we just confirmed this 24 hours ago. Like we said, hey, we're doing a show tomorrow. Well, we had it on the calendar.
Speaker 2:We had it on the calendar and yesterday I think I was looking at my, uh, my picking schedule and just sort of my, my winery schedule right now, cause it was crazy, and I'm like, oh shit, I have my show with Anthony tomorrow. And I texted you and I'm like, hey, we're still doing that, right, yeah, and uh, that was also the moment I had remembered that. I'm like, oh, tomorrow is also like we didn't pick this day on purpose, by the way. No, uh, we did not choose um August 27th, um for the uh fifth anniversary show for any other particular reason than it.
Speaker 2:It was a Wednesday and but but holy crap, it's the 34th anniversary of uh 10 and the 31st 31st anniversary of no code yep right I mean right that's that's called. That's a fate right there it really is.
Speaker 1:And you know, what's interesting about this show was I remember reaching out to you after I left wishlist foundation. I said, hey, trey, have this idea? We had already had done an episode together on when I did strange tribe live with the wishlist foundation and we were working together and blah, blah, blah, blah blah. We all know how that shit show went. But anyway, I called, I messaged you and I'm like this is what I'm thinking. You were like let's do it. And I'd be honest with you. We had never met in person previous to doing the show. When we first started the show five years ago five years ago yesterday, as a matter of fact, 45 episodes 46, if you include the charity event 45 episodes.
Speaker 2:45 episodes 1.7.
Speaker 1:1.7. I don't know. I got to look at the numbers. I could be wrong. I think it was 1.7.
Speaker 2:It wrong. I think it was 1.7.
Speaker 1:It's a fucking crazy number, ridiculous number of downloads, but anyway, 1.7 downloads, that's, that's ridiculous. 1.7 million downloads over 45 episodes, um, but then the crazy thing about it is then we, the amount of between you and me and different events we've done and that we've been a part of. We've raised almost $47,000 in five years from multiple different charities. We've done different things together and then we did shows together for three years before we first officially met, which was coming to Kansas city and you know me telling my wife, staying at your house, staying at my house, that was me picking up at the airport. That was the first time. And but I will say this and this is what and we'll talk a little bit about this in a little bit, because tonight's episode really is about what Pearl Jam music in general does for us and different factors of that. It's not necessarily about a song, but the idea of what music can do for you. And I will say this, and the older I get, the more I realize this.
Speaker 1:I, I, music to me has always been something as a comfort and a blanket. I've I've lived a very weird life where I've been in and out of people's lives. My parents weren't really there for me a lot. I had a. I slept in my car, left at home at 16. So I had a lot of people go in and out of my life. The only constant things in my life was music and sports. That have always been held true to like.
Speaker 1:Music to me, songs to me, embark in in, like, inspire memories to come back to moments, whether they were good or bad, but that's kind of how they they bring things together. Pearl Jam was my way of trying to find belonging, like I love Pearl jam music. You know my dad's ex girlfriend was the one who introduced him to me. I remember going to um was it called pineapple records on long Island when she went to get verses and being hesitant about putting the tape in because she would love 10 so much that she was nervous at versus wasn't going to hold up to 10. And I these things remind me and, like, pearl Jam's always been that kind of comfort blanket for me and it introduced me to so many great people.
Speaker 1:It also brought a lot of, you know, tragedy in my life but also were great things to me and you're one of those things. You've been there many of times, you've been. You're one of my, I would say greatest friends. I adore you, like I mean, for five years years we've had multiple conversations. We have on and off the air.
Speaker 1:We've, you know, we've seen each other many of times in different places and it's a true friendship. That means a lot to me and you know, my family knows you, I know your family and it's it's something that I really hold true to. And and the crazy thing is, we live far away from each other and the reason we know each other is because of a bunch of guys that decided to write music and that music meant so much to us that we were just pushed to talk about it and then that sparked this friendship and this lifelong friendship that I hope that we've, that we've done the show and and and these experiences together and we've raised money and chain and we're able to help people out because of a fucking band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I, I have a feeling that there's, you know, thousands of similar stories that you and I have because of Pearl Jam as as well. Maybe not the same path, but, um, the, the friendships that have been formed and continue to this day, um, through this band, are many, many, many, many, I would say hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, uh, uh, have, have, you know, become become friends because of the music, because the band, because of the live shows, uh, because of the community that they've created, um, and maybe some of the causes that's the other thing, you know, you think, some of the causes that they've, they've stood behind that there's a possibility that a lot of these people have, you know, if you think about Jeff Amon's projects in Montana, with his Montana Pool Services and his skate parks that he's building, there's probably a lot of people that are involved in that project who didn't know the first thing about Pearl Jam and the first thing about that band or the music. But they quickly came to find out that, um, he, he is, you know, jeff is an awesome dude and um, you know, uh, he, he brought those people into the family. So, anyway, there's, there's a lot of stories like that. That's, and I, you and I, I know you sent the um a little summary of what we're going to talk about tonight and, um, as I went through all the questions, or went through all the topics that you, you posted about, um, almost every answer came back to, uh, it had something to do with, you know, friends that we've made through this band.
Speaker 2:You know, if it's a certain memory of a certain show, it's probably because I was with you know, a good buddy, a certain memory of a certain show. It's probably because I was with you know, a good buddy sitting next to me watching the show. Not necessarily just the show itself, because obviously those are always great, um, and we've seen shows that are better than others and and all that stuff. But what makes those shows for me, what's made a lot of those shows great, is the friendships, uh, or the people that have been there with you to experience those with you.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, couldn't agree more and I and and same thing for me to you, anthony, I appreciated you, I was honored that you would even think about wanting to talk to me. I'm like I'm doing, I'll just, I'm just a winemaker over here who likes Pearl Jam, so but we've, we have, we've discovered we a little lot deeper than that and I love being able to use our platform for for good and I've loved certainly the fundraising aspect of it's been awesome. But even just building this community of listeners that maybe you know, maybe we've introduced people through this podcast, who knows? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, it's interesting and you know, the older I get, the more I've like I told Brad this recently. It was the first time I've ever actually said it in person and it kind of made me comfortable saying this. I, you know, I'm real comfortable behind a microphone In public, not so much I'm not. I'm not. I don't really like um bringing attention to myself, and I've for a long time have tried finding somewhere to belong like a group to belong with, like just to fit in, like I was never a popular kid in school, I was never really a popular kid in general, like I've I've gone in and out of of phases like I just never could find my true belonging anywhere, like I didn't know what where to fit in.
Speaker 1:Um, that's why I drew, you know I joined certain organizations and then you know they fell out, whatever, and it's it's been, it's been tough for me because like, and I'm not, and then I'm also like I I'm very flaky as a person, like I don't really like reach out to people as often as I should. I'm just I don't know, I just I get lost in a lot of things and I think we all do as we when we get older but like, yeah, that's a, that's a that's asking a lot of everybody to do that.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, I think the most constant. What shit going on you do, we all do, it's just part of life. But you know, I will say this like this, this pearl jam community, when the last time I saw them, when I was in seattle I think seattle was the last time I saw him, which is pissing me off, by the way, now that matt's not in the band, I should have seen him.
Speaker 2:Can you believe that jesus christ almighty bullshit?
Speaker 1:um, and then it aggravates me more because I thought he was just quitting playing, but he's like, no, I'm gonna continue playing, which opens up even more fucking questions. But that's for a whole nother show. But it's like going to seattle and just like seeing. I remember I saw you at the, uh, at the kexp event that they had, and that was, you know, you and holly, and then I'd like two people come up to me and like, oh my god, I enjoy the show. And I'm like it's just weird when people talk to you that listen to the show or watch the show or you know, like I had an email a couple of weeks ago like hey, when's the next episode. I'm like you know, I've listened, you know was waiting.
Speaker 1:It's just weird to me that people even listen to us, a fucking mumble, and I'm just, I'm just a Joe blow idiot, like I don't fucking know. But before we get really deep into this cause, we have a lot of topics. I know your time's short tonight and so is mine. Um, I am really excited about the wine I'm drinking tonight. Um, this was gifted to me, uh, by my, my best friend, brad um, who I just got to see in portland when I went sort of nine channels up there and that was amazing, except I did ruin his birthday, which is a whole, nother conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm just me, and fancy food, me and fancy food do not mix well, and that that's I. I don't do fancy restaurants well and I didn't prepare myself. Anyway but he came and gave me these bottles of wine and this one brand of wine. I'm going to say this wrong. It's K-A-E-N-A Cayenne. Cayenne, it's from the Santa Yens Valley, is that how you say it?
Speaker 2:Santa Ynez Valley Like Santa Maria, santa Ynez Valley. Is that what I'm saying? How do you say it? Santa Ynez Valley Like Santa Maria, santa Ynez? Yeah, oh, okay, it's north of Santa Barbara and a little bit east and inland from Lompoc in central California, but on the coast. On the coast, um, that area is mostly known for chardonnay, pinot noir, uh, cooler, cooler varietals. You get down to santa barbara now. That being said, it is because it's a little more inland from lompoc. Um, I'm sure they've got some warm spots, because you said that was a cab and petite burdeaux, I think a blend, blend of cabernet petite burdeauxuneau, petit Bruneau, and then 10% Grenache.
Speaker 1:Oh, grenache yeah so it's smooth and I will say this I don't have a loyalty to One Burn, except Sleight of Hand Cellars. Go check them out, buy their wine, but for the most part I tend to go out on a limb and I'll try new things, yeah. But Brad got me hooked on this brand. When I was just in Portland we went through like quite a few bottles of this. It was amazing.
Speaker 2:Great, it's easy drinking.
Speaker 1:It's super light, very flavorful, and I know the one thing that that people say about red wines are they're hard to drink. They got a hard taste to them. I will say this If you are new to the red wine or if you have had a distaste for red wine, this is a great bottle of wine. Like all of the red wines I've drank are just been fantastic and phenomenal and I can't speak any more highly of them and I would definitely check them out.
Speaker 2:That's from the Cana folks. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, all right, well, I'm drinking tonight. I went into the cellar and I pulled out this is a bottle of dunham sellers. Eric dunham hired me 25 years ago and yesterday I started my 26th harvest. We picked chardonnay yesterday and brought that in and pressed that off and had a big celebration and stuff, and so, um, yeah, 26 years I've been making wine and, uh, it's largely uh in part to eric. Uh, eric was a very good friend of mine. He passed away in 2014. Um, I do make a, a small production wine for him every year, called not every year. I I only make it in the best years called Off he Goes, and I've made a wine for him called Light Years as well. Again, I don't make it every year, it's really only when, like, if a barrel speaks to me from that particular vineyard, I'll bottle that for him, and so, yeah, and you know, eric and I went bottle that for him and uh.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, and you know, eric and I went and saw a bunch of Pearl Jam shows together as well. Um and uh, I remember when I was email not even emailing, well, I probably was emailing by then uh, 2000, 2001,. Um was getting in touch with Corininza at the 10 club I don't know if you knew corinza or know that name at all, but she worked for them for a while. She was actually their photographer uh, like 03 05 06, any pictures you probably saw a pearl jam outside of um professional photographs. If they were, like you know, a tin club photo, corinza probably took that. Anyway, she worked in the tin club office with tim beerman and um. I remember eric and I saying, god, I wonder if we can get.
Speaker 2:We got to try to get some wine to the band when they come to seattle and corinza would always be the one who would answer it's like, oh yeah, no problem, you know we said wine to the tin club and and so that was kind of our um, we felt like super special. You know, like uh, you think about 2000, 2001. That band was barely 10 years old at that time and they were certainly the biggest band in the world, or one of them and so it was like, um, it felt super cool and that was, yeah, corinna was my introduction to tim and and you know tim introduced me to everything, everybody it was. It was great. So another another thing that you know another friendship that pearl jam uh, helped form. So, um, and you know what a loyal band that is. Think about all the people that have worked for them for almost the entire time. You know their guitar techs and their drum techs and their manager, smitty, I mean been doing the show. I know everyone has a different taste.
Speaker 1:I know it's got to be pretty complex in building a palette or building a new flavor or a new brand for your winery. What is the process like when you need to make a new one? Does it take a long time? Is it like?
Speaker 2:hey, I feel like these grapes and these grapes work together.
Speaker 2:Nope, nope, take a long time. Is it like, hey, I could I feel like these grapes and these grapes work together, or nope, nope, I mean it creating a new skew? Uh, essentially, right, you're. You know, we make 10 wines every year, 10 different wines. They're pretty much the same one. I mean the same labels, right, the enchantress chardonnay is always the enchantress, it's always the same vineyard, but the vintage is is different every year, right?
Speaker 2:Um, but I have vineyards that I've picked up over the years that I think are special vineyard sites and if they prove it right and they're really special, then they deserve to be bottled on their own. Okay, and if they can, if they need to be bottled on their own, we have to create a label for that and come up with a new name. And so that's where things like and then with doing things for Eric in that instance, for instance, was just, yeah, I just pulled a couple of barrels of my favorite Syrah from Lake Haleen, which is a Walla Walla, because I wanted to do something special for him, and that was back in 2014. I did it in 2016. The vintage was 2014,.
Speaker 2:The year he died, I bottled a 2016 version, a 2014 version, of the very first. Back then it was called Force of Nature, but I had to change the name. It's something that really jumps out and speaks to us. Um, all the things that we've created so far, all of the different wines that we make, um, each one individually, all had to start off on the first vintage, and so it had. Those wines had to speak to us in the same way, shape or form, anyway, to be able to create them in the first place. But you know, we knew we wanted a Cabernet for the winery, we knew we wanted a Bordeaux blend, we knew we wanted a Syrah, and we just sort of kept expanding from there.
Speaker 1:So I would say it's just interesting to me to like, because there's so many different flavors and palates out there and you try these different wines and just so unique to each other, many different flavors and palates out there and you try these different wines and just so unique to each other. I just know how hard it is, but then it's how to that, how to keep that recipe.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you, I watched an interview at rick rubin uh, listen to an interview at rick rubin the other day and someone had asked him, uh, if, when he's, when he's producing an album, uh, does he think of the consumer when he's doing that? And before the guy could finish the question, his answer was no, wow, he said. He said the minute you start making something for somebody else instead of for yourself, is you're just setting yourself up for failure. And I'm like, in a lot of ways he's right, because if you're not making it for yourself is you're just setting yourself up for failure. And I'm like, in a lot of always he's right, because if you're not making it for yourself, then you're not being authentic and you're creating, you're just making a product. You're just like putting heinz ketchup out there instead of like, you know, whatever. I mean like it's, it's. You know, it's not to say that you can't go sell that product, but it's, it's. It's not going to be authentic to anyone. You know, do you think Tom York, when he sits down and write a song, is thinking about God? Wow, man, I hope the, I really hope these people like it. No, I mean no, not in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2:And, um, I'm, me and my winemaking team um, we make wines for ourselves. We think about the wine that we want to make, the wine that we want to drink, um, and we think that they're, they are compelling enough that enough people are going to think the same thing. Not everybody, I don't want to make wine for everybody. That'd be super boring. There's a lot of wines out there like that and those. Those are the wines.
Speaker 2:It's like listening to pop radio, you know, I mean, think about this, think about you know you're, you're a eighth grader. Now, if my, if my eighth grader came home and told me, oh, these are the bands that all the kids are listening to I wouldn't know one name. If I looked them up on instagram, they'd probably have 25 million followers, right, or whatever. I mean everyone. You know that made that music is made for the masses, and so, um, and we're not making wine for the masses, we're making wine for the. The few people who find us that, um, maybe are going to be as interested in what we're doing as as we are. We hope they are. So, yeah, and we're pretty proud, we are really proud of the stuff that we make, and our goal is to make the best versions of every wine that we do. Um in our own voice, I guess the best way to put it like we want our wines to be different. We don't want them to be the same.
Speaker 1:So well, I dig that well, how's? That I'm gonna have to. Well, first of all, it's been a while since I've gotten a a good palette of sleight of hand sellers wine, so we're definitely gonna make sure I have to get some of that soon. But uh, cheers to uh, what's it?
Speaker 2:five years, five years buddy five happy anniversary, happy anniversary.
Speaker 1:And then what? Uh five, maybe another five, another five here we go.
Speaker 2:Five, absolutely, you kid me let's. Uh, listen what we'll do this. We'll do this show as long as, as long as the band is still playing, and if they're not playing, then we can figure out another way to transition the show to something cool.
Speaker 1:So well, let's go the way. You see this, what the original? Yeah, is that original that's the og baby jesus, you're literally wearing probably like a thousand dollar shirt.
Speaker 2:Oh gee more than that. I could sell for three thousand bucks. I had a guy from canada offered me three grand for this insanity, insanity, I wear this thing all the time, man, you know, it's like the people who don't open their fucking vinyl. That just kills me. Uh, I get it, I get it, I get it I'm getting.
Speaker 1:I'm like deep downsizing a. I have so much shit I'm just trying to get.
Speaker 2:Well, you know I said to you, I told you I'm like I'm sitting on that Ben Royale and you know I listen to it. But you know it's not like I'm playing that thing once a month, it's like I'll pull that thing out once a year and play that thing. It sounds great. But I know that people want that thing so badly. The problem is a I have opened it, uh and b.
Speaker 2:That's it's outside it makes a difference, for sure. And then the outside, because I don't have the wrapper around. It's not wrapped, you know that um, orange, deep burnt orange color kind of rubs off, and so the photos of it. People are like oh, jesus christ, I'm like you're not, you're not my, you're not playing the box.
Speaker 1:The best way to sell that to do like one of those like uh, like the, go on facebook and do like one of those like raffle things and you make a shit ton of money. We can talk about that off air anyway. All right, let's talk about. So we have a couple segments tonight.
Speaker 2:I have to remove some because of time consuming, but let's the first one we might have, by the way, as I've seen here. Let's 620 already we might have to do this. Might have to be like a part one and part two, but that's okay we could do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can go with a couple of topics, we'll see I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want to cut us short as we're in into stories and then, like I don't want, you looking at your watch going, hey, man, we got, we got to move to that because I have, you know, six topics to get through. Yeah, I want us to be able to talk about this stuff and if we want to do a part two, we can do that I say I think that's good, maybe we'll do the first, we'll do, let's see.
Speaker 1:Let's see how many we can get through tonight, because I mean I thought these were good for, but I mean it'd be good next week or so, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, first one is gonna be our favorite pearl jam memory and and when I talk about that, it's like something that like one of the ones that really stick out. Um, I have one for sure, but I'm very excited about talking about and I've talked about in the past, but I'm gonna open up a little bit more about it. Um, it's kind of like something that like just a highly standing out moment, like maybe it's an iconic set list, maybe it's a current interaction, emotional experience, something that like there's a moment that Pearl Jam really affected you. So I'll start with you, I'll let you go first and then we'll go into my story uh, well, I mean, I wrote down like 10 so you asked me to go to one.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about. Um, you know, uh, I was at drop in the park and I remember everything from the moment I found out that they were going to make that I knew there was going to be an announcement that the tickets were going to go on sale on the end. And I remember the day of getting the tickets you know this is like three weeks before the actual show. You know they were free, right, free concert. I remember getting down to the Seattle area in downtown Seattle, having to get on the buses to get down there and then, of course, the show. I lost a Doc Martin that day. I ended up with one Doc Martin on at the end of the day, so I had one shoe having to get back on the bus, everything about that day.
Speaker 2:And we've all if you're, if you're really a fan, I'm sure you've all watched the drop in the park show on on youtube because it's is one of the great, great pearl jam shows. So, um, that's one of my like early, early memories. Um, you know, fast forward, uh, meeting my friend matt at the gorge shows in 0506 and he's one of my best friends now uh, meeting Jeff Whitman um at Pearl Jam 20 and you know he's obviously one of my best friends. Guy married, married Holly and I um making wine for the band for the home shows, um. But yeah, at that point I was like what else is there? Um and uh yeah.
Speaker 2:And then, yeah, just a flurry of other memories. I mean, there's so much stuff, so, um, the, the. I remember the 2016 tour, um fondly because of getting the uh, you know, spend a lot of time with Tim on those Cause we did a lot of stuff together for um, fundraising stuff for in boston and in new york and philadelphia. Um, we did a bunch of work with music cares that year and uh, so, yeah, that was that was great. So, uh, but yeah, more, it's all so many, so many. I mean, um, I'm thankful that, I'm thankful to have them. I mean, I'm thankful that they've given us 34 years so far to create all these memories. Uh, and I hope they do it. I hope they continue to do it and find a new drummer and do it on their own time, and even if it's they want to tour every four or five years, I I don't care as long as they still want to do it. So how about you?
Speaker 1:So mine is a unique one. I mean, pearl Jam was always something big for me and I had gone back to college and I was working on my degree in photography and I remember going home one night and I was telling Heather goals and I'm like I think my big goal is to photograph Pearl jam. She's like how are you gonna make that happen? I have no idea. So what I did was I started looking at connections of bands that were tied to Pearl jam that were lower. This is when, starting in the in the uh laughing dogs were big. So I started emailing bands that had ties to Pearl jam, started emailing bands that had ties to Pearl Jam, lying to them saying that I was a photographer for a magazine, to see if I can get credentials to photograph them for shows.
Speaker 1:So I end up photographing um sorry, and the laughing dogs Liam Finn, saint Vincent, uh, carbon Leaf, uh, I mean, I mean Blake Shelton, all these big artists. I just bullshit in my way to photograph these people. Now, this is pre like background checks and shit like that. And then, like, my reputation started growing, the like that I like magazines would actually start hiring me. And then I was growing this, this thing and I used to carry this ukulele around. I actually still have the ukulele. It's right here. Yeah, no, it's not somewhere, I'll show you later. I have a ukulele that I would bring to these shows and get them signed, and I brought this ukulele to every show to get signed by the artist I was photographing.
Speaker 2:Until I photographed Pearl Jam Same ukulele One ukulele all signed by different people. Yeah, hold on, I got you, I got you, hold on.
Speaker 1:I'll grab it real quick. All right, hold on, I'll grab it real quick.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm just going to kill some time here while Anthony's off looking for his ukulele. And yeah, how's everybody else out there doing? Hope you guys are doing well, 34 years people.
Speaker 1:It goes by in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that 34 years people, it goes by in a heartbeat.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you that. I got a 27-year-old kid now and all that stuff. I don't know, I just feel it.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I'm just filling in the dead space. That's all right, Okay sorry.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I brought it around. I even had the only band that refused to sign. It was some country act, brooks and and dunn or something, I don't remember some country act anyway. So I kept requesting to photograph the band uh, baltimore was declined. New york I was declined. Boston I was declined, kept getting declined, so I got to a point where I thought it was never going to happen.
Speaker 1:Then, in 2013, they announced they were playing charlottesville, virginia, which was right up the road for me. I worked there all the time and I put a request in for it and I gave this long like response hey, what the band means to me? Blah, blah, blah. And literally within seconds I was declined.
Speaker 1:And at this point I was doing, um, some radio, uh, morning show stuff with this band. Uh, not span, I'm sorry with this radio DJ, where I would go Tuesdays and Thursdays, be on the show and I would talk about modern music that I was listening to and we'd do some goofy stuff, whatever. One of the guests was one of the head of a magazine called the Berg in Lynchburg, virginia, and the night before Pearl Jam I already had tickets for it it was me, my wife, my dad and my and Brady going to see this show, and the night before Charlottesville, we had just come back from Baltimore I got a phone call from he's like hey, um, I got a question for you. He's like are you photographing Pearl gym? I said no, there been declined. I'm just, I think I'm at this point, I think I'm just going to give up. And he said listen, we're going to hire you to photograph the band.
Speaker 2:Nice for the bird, for the Berg.
Speaker 1:How about that? And I was like I was shocked, this is not even. This is not even the best part about this story, because this is where things get interesting. So I, in turn, was like I'm going to do this different, I'm going to photograph. This is where things get interesting. So I, in turn, was like I'm gonna do this different, I'm gonna photograph it in film, I'm gonna photograph it digitally, whatever. So I ended up bringing like a 120 film camera. Uh, I brought like my 35 millimeter. I brought my nikon d, uh, d3 at the time, all these things. So I photographed the film. But the the best part of the story is what led up to it.
Speaker 1:At this point I was still trying to get into the pearl jam community. I was trying to find my way, like in, and there was people in the community that, like I knew about, I was going to wishlist pre parties and I was trying to just find like a niche to get in, cause I just didn't. I was a young kid trying to find my way in and I just didn't feel belonged yet. But there was a couple of people that I noticed that, like I was always like like, I was always like, um, like hey, these, these seem like good people, like Brad and Sam were one of them. Like I always saw Brad and Sam at parties and they I was in lines with them before and they were always so nice but like, just, it was just conversations, it was never friendships. When I went in Charlottesville, when I was outside going in, this is the first time I ever had a conversation with Brad Brad came up the band and he's like, oh, that's awesome. He's like he's a good luck. And that was my first conversation with bread. I walk in, uh, tanya, uh, tanya. Kang, who I adore, uh, actually saw me walk in, gave me a high five. And then there was matt sterile, I'm not sure, I'm sorry. Uh, oh god, I can't think his name matt's blanking. Um, I saw all these people coming in that I had and I've known for years that like that saw me going down, that knew like my buildup of wanting to photograph has been, and I saw him and my dad when I was in good terms with him with this, the first time I'd have seen Pearl jam, and he knew how big of this moment was, like he was in the audience. So he saw me and I was wearing like a Jeff meant army bright orange hoodie, so like I you could be. I was visible in the front row.
Speaker 1:Um, photographing and the song release was always something that was dear to me, cause it was always like that connection I had with me and my father, like it was just weird because we had this weird connection and when they played that song I remember photographing that song with like fucking bawling my eyes out, oh yeah, and um, that photo, and then the photos I took of that show. I ended up making the, the film photos. I ended up making some prints and I am giving a wishlist foundation and then I end up making some prints and selling them myself to go to different charities. Um, I gave my second to last only have like one left. Um, last year for brady's event, didn't I? Did I give you one, or no? Do you not have one? I don't think so. No, then I I'll, I can send you one. Um, uh, so I had these and then I ended up making all these like crazy prints off them and whatever, but anyway it was.
Speaker 1:I remember when they started playing corduroy I had to go back out to my car and bring my, drop my cameras off my car and come back in and I remember walking in to the arena and it was like right with like right. When you walk in and I remember like just like falling and I don't run and I still like I've still thought back to this memory of like why I started crying at that moment, because I had already cried like four fucking times that day like I had dried out my eyes. But I remember like standing there listening to Corduroy in the like lobby crying, while my wife and my son and my dad are up watching the show and all these things, and I'm like I thought like at that point in my life I was like I don't know what was next. I didn't know what was going to come of this entire event, but I knew like I had achieved a goal that I didn't think was possible. And it came. Um, and you can still see that photo I took of eddie vetter. That's on the berg, it's on the website.
Speaker 1:If you look up my research search anthony krisowitz and lynchburg, virginia it's like the first thing that pops up um, that ended up getting me on the cover of a magazine for photographing a bunch of things. I ended up getting paid to photograph a bunch of Blake Shelton shows like it opened a lot of doors. Unfortunately, there's no money in photography and I'm spending more money than I made when I came to photography and getting out of it completely because but I mean, there was that show general, especially when it came to Pearl Jam really opened my eyes to how amazing the community was. And then it was weird because my best friend now, who's Brad, and I adore him and Sam tremendously like that was the first interaction I had with them, 2013. And then you know you're talking 12 years later.
Speaker 1:It was just weird. So like that moment to me was like this like if you can dream it, you can do it. Like it's pushed me to like push brady a little bit into his things, like if you envision it, like, don't give up on it because it could fucking happen. And it did happen for me and it was weird. It was. It was a weird, fucking total weird experience. It's still weird to me to think back to um, I've loved, I'd love to photograph them again, but I'd almost want to photograph them not with a digital camera again, I'd want to do it completely in film, completely experimental.
Speaker 2:Charles Peterson style, like I mean, you know, like you know, you, the old film guys, man, those they, uh, I look at all the stuff that he created and and how. You know, you didn't, you didn't recognize whether or not what you did worked or not, until you got that stuff developed at home.
Speaker 1:You know so that was the weird thing. So I thought I had fucked up the film, like so I'd put the film. I left the film in the camera because I knew 120 film you. You got to develop it pretty quickly, especially with I was using god a minolta from like 19 fucking 67 or something. It was an old camera that I was given to me, that was given from him. It was like a long generation of his older camera. It had light leaks in it and I remember and then allS, by the way, that photo I took on the 120 film I gave to Brian Meth, who, brian Meth, then turned that photo into his Eddie Vedder print. That is one of his more popular photos.
Speaker 1:So that poster that he did of Eddie Vedder is the photo I took on the 120 film from Charlottesville, virginia, so like the whole round robin and I'm actually looking at it right now that photo really went a lot of places and I remember, you know, brian, I sent and that's another relationship I made because of the Charlottesville show was like I sent to Brian, brian's like can I make a poster of this?
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, fucking right, do it, please, please do impact on my life and really push me to open up more and really try to make more connections. Yeah Well, that is an awesome story and I felt that way dozens of times at shows. It's the hearing a song and having it trigger you for whatever reason. Sometimes it just hits out of nowhere you so yeah, that's awesome let's talk about the next topic, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, so this is the impact of pearl jam on our lives personally. So this is like how person who has shaped an individual's identities and life choices uh, maybe like talking about how their activism is maybe explored like personal growth in your life or just reflecting how the music has provided comfort during tough times. So I'll go back to you on this one. When you think of Pearl Jam and their music and maybe there's a song or a reference to something like it how has that impacted your life?
Speaker 2:I mean, for me it's a bigger story than that, because they changed the trajectory of my life. Everything, all the decisions that I made because of that band, changed everything for me. I was a 19 year old college student at the university of Georgia when I heard 10 for the first time and saw them for the first time, and because of that I'd dropped out of school and moved to Seattle. I wanted to, I wanted to be a part of, I wanted to be a part of what was happening up there. I wanted to be immersed in that scene. I wanted to. I was, you know, if you're going to make a stupid decision, do it at, you know, 20, don't do it at 40, you know so.
Speaker 2:But music was already so important in my life before pearl jam showed up, you know, um, that, um, I recognized that I was too young for athens.
Speaker 2:When it really happened, that was 80 to 84, and la was, you know, 82 to 88, 90, whenever that was, you know, new york punk scene, all that stuff. So, um, and not that I could not, not, not that I was predicting in any way, shape or form like, oh, this is, you know, this is where the next thing is happening. All I knew to me was that um, seeing that band live and just feeling that energy and emotion, and it wasn't that it was necessarily speaking to me, um, from a messaging standpoint, where I was hearing these lyrics and going, yeah, that's me, or you know, I, I, I can relate Um, cause I don't know if I could relate Um like I. You know, my mom and I had a great relationship. My dad and I had a great relationship. You know they, they were divorced, but that didn't really affect me and the in the way a lot of divorces affect other couples or other kids, I mean.
Speaker 2:And so yeah, it wasn't really necessarily like a messaging thing, but for whatever reason, I just really connected with that band and that music and so I moved to Seattle and I quit, I quit school, moved there, much to my mother's chagrin, maybe, maybe, maybe she would have been listening to pearl jam after that because she was so angry, uh, at me. But, um, uh, and you know, a lot of the decision making over the next 10 to 15 years revolved around that band. You know, and and certainly you've seen how it's transformed into me starting a winery that's named after one of my favorite songs and having all these wines and and getting to know, needing to sort of interact with them, um, on a fundraising level. And that's awesome, like for me. I just that's uh, I just it's just bringing me so much joy to even think about that, um, and so yeah I think when you say the, phrase it from the standpoint of what the impact on your life?
Speaker 2:it was pretty big, yeah, yeah, so it's crazy, right, you know? I yeah, I didn't move to la when molly crew, you know, came out with shadow the devil, you know. I mean like, uh, I probably got. Maybe if I was 21 at the time I probably would have.
Speaker 1:But um, I would say you maybe dodged it. I mean, based off of how things are right now with them. You know, I don't know if you've seen videos recently of vince singing.
Speaker 2:It's uh, it's pretty bad well, you know most those guys. So oh, yeah, um, but anyway, yeah, that's um, yeah, that's that, that's my story.
Speaker 1:So no, I, I mean well, I mean I would say that the way I mean the band impacts your life. I mean look, I mean who would have thought five years worth of doing shows?
Speaker 2:Doing a podcast together Five years right, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I think you know their music in general has been this blanket for me in my adult years tremendously Like I listened to them when I was a kid. Definitely for sure, and I know that there's an age gap between us, but I mean in the idea of it, age gap, age what?
Speaker 2:Yes, what's the age gap? How old do you think I am?
Speaker 1:We've talked about this. Listen, right, if you want to do the math, I'm the same age as your wife and you can go back from there. I'll let. Same age as your wife and you can go back from there. I'll let you figure that number out. Wait, no, actually she's younger. Wait, because she hasn't turned 40 yet, has she? Has she turned 40? No, no, I didn't think so. Is it this year or next year?
Speaker 2:Next year.
Speaker 1:Next year, so she's a year younger Her birthday is St Patrick's Day.
Speaker 2:No, my wife is perpetually 34 listen.
Speaker 1:Age is just a number, beauty is forever I love her uh, but and listen, and realistically, if you ever saw a picture of holly, you would not think she's. She's doesn't look a day over 31. Let's be realistic. All right Moving on.
Speaker 1:I will say this when it comes to Pearl Jam and the impact on life there's, this might be silly to some. This song Given a Fly whether the meaning of it is totally irrelevant to this part Given a Fly to me was always about like taking that leap and moving forward right, and for me it I wanted that to be the first song my kids ever heard when they were born so when brady was born, the first thing he ever heard coming out was I remember it and it drove the doctor.
Speaker 1:My wife nuts in the fucking in the in the room, baby's out, and I'm and it was cd I'm pushing play on the cd, my wife nuts in the fucking in the room, baby's out, and it was CD I'm pushing play on the CD player. And that was the first thing I heard live. And the same thing for Charlotte. And, as a matter of fact, when Heather's water broke and we were on the way to the hospital, I had to turn back around because I had to make a mix CD that we had to listen to before we went to the hospital.
Speaker 2:So on the way to the hospital, so on the way to hospital, you turned around after her water broke, turned around to run back inside to get the next cd um, yeah, yeah, I I should bring heather down for that.
Speaker 1:She'd probably fucking tell you she hated every minute of it, but it was important to me. This connection of them hearing that song as like this because to me that song is um has been a blanket for me and in a lot of tough times, um, where you know I could listen to that song at like, at a very high volume, and it just gives me goosebumps every time. It almost gets me out of a trance of being in a shit mood or being in a down thinking myself. So the music in general has been there in ways that other people, like personal reaction, personal people or interactions can't. And it sounds weird and some people might not understand this, but there's times where I can't communicate with people, but I can have music. Do the community like? Music gives me a feeling of like that angst or that depression or that or that frustration that I can listen to a certain song that Pearl Jam's made that can get me out of it and, given the fly has always been that like when I think down on myself or when I think that I can't or when I think that like it's impossible, like that song's always been the motivation to move forward and I wanted that for my kids. I wanted my kids to always and I listen, they're kidding.
Speaker 1:Now I think back to when I'm 40 years old and I was like in my 20s at this time. What the fuck am I doing? I should be more focusing on my wife, but like to me at that time I was like, if they hear this song, this is me giving them something like this is the first thing they're ever hearing. Like this is like telling them that they could do whatever they want to and it was always meaningful. Like I remember, you know, being a dad for the first fucking. You know, three minutes of my life and I'm holding, you know, I'm looking at my son and I didn't go to parenting classes and I thought his head had exploded and it was just the misshaped head and it was a long story but given a fly is being played in the background and I just kept looking at him and I just remember, like thinking back to, like the bad experiences from my parents and the shitty way that they raised me and you know just being angst up inside of like, fuck them, I'm going to do better and like I'm going to give you every opportunity in this world to move forward and do better than me and and like I.
Speaker 1:It was a weird thing because that song's like what? Three minutes long. I swear to god like listening to that song with brady watching him, and like I just knew that I wanted to do better and the song has nothing to do with that, but that is like how, like I had to have pearl gym be, like they had to be a part of pearl gym. Brady's seen him live multiple times, heather's seen him live multiple times, charlotte still hasn't seen him and I'm really concerned about that because I don't know what the future holds. But you know, and who would have fucking, like I said, who would have thought like that this band would have motivated me to do a podcast, would have motivated me to do charitable events, would have motivated me to travel the country. I mean, this band changed my life in ways that, like it gave me friends when I didn't have friends.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's a big one, that's. The other one is like, you know the impact of your life. It's like, again, all the friends you met, you know all the friends you've made and all the experiences that have come out of those friendships, which are innumerable, and you can't, you can't put a number on that. You know that's a priceless.
Speaker 1:So I mean, you can't pick your family, but you can pick your friends, and the friends that I talk to the most are in your nose I guess you can pick your nose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true. Good point. I'd say, hey, that's, that is a very valid point. Um, but I mean the the. There is people that I've met through pearl jam that if they called me at a moment's notice I'd be on a plane to go help them regardless. Family wise I don't know if I have a lot of family members that if they called me that I would jump in a heartbeat to help them.
Speaker 1:And I know it sounds terrible and some people well, it's fucked up, you, you, you just haven't lived my life, but yeah you know it's a. You know it's amazing what a band can do, what their music can do and how it can be that, like I said, that's a comfort. You know, I mean my basement is a shrine. That fucking huge Pearl Jam Pittsburgh poster, I mean that thing takes up my whole goddamn wall.
Speaker 2:I traveled from Seattle to this that's the extra large Ames Bros.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's the one that. Um, I had to travel, carry that thing. That fucking poster tube was five foot tall. I'll never forget carrying that through the airport. Um, yeah, I mean there's so much. I mean the band's changed a lot of my life and I will say one of the craziest things for me was seeing pearl jam at fenway park, because that, like the red socks are, probably I mean they're. For me was seeing pearl jam at fenway park because that, like the red socks are, probably I mean they're just up there with pearl jam. When it comes to, like, what they mean to me, and and and being able to say pearl jam at fenway park is was amazing. 16 or 18, 16 and 18 both times, and in 18 I was able to go all the shows we've been to together we've talked.
Speaker 1:It's fucking insane to me how many shows we've actually been together and just didn't know it. But in 18, I remember going inside the Green Monster and that was like a lifelong dream of mine. And then I have this picture I'm looking at right now of me pushing my fat ass outside the Green Monster with Pearl Jam on it, and it's like two of the greatest things you know, two things that were blankets for me my entire life. But changing a life. Yeah, I don't know if I'd be the person I am today without the music and influences that Pearl Jam has and the fact that Pearl Jam talks about being, you know, uh, giving back and and and being active and being an activism, because I don't know if I'd be so active on things and be so vocal on some things or want to give back if it wasn't for Pearl Jam in the many years, I was going to say the same thing.
Speaker 2:I think that they've, they've, uh, you know, they sparked an activism in folks that maybe have been. They would probably be more complacent to certain things. You know, uh, they definitely have helped raise awareness for causes that maybe weren't necessarily on your radar. Yeah, um, but it's just, it's a band that has empathy, which we need more of this these days. Yeah and um, they have, uh, uh, I think, shown their fans how to utilize that empathy, and for good. You know, yeah, that's. You know, all good causes, yeah, too many superlatives for this band that I've got in my toolbox, for sure in my vocabulary, do you know what?
Speaker 1:I'd love to ask this question too honestly and like really get a sincere answer from them. I'd love to ask this question to tim bierman because if you think about how much he's done with the band and how much the band's done with him in general, I feel like that ed of I mean they, I mean they've got to change, I mean they've been a big part of his life and how they changed it that well, I mean, yeah, if you think again, the employees of that band and, uh, you know again they're it's hard to think about anyone that's been with them less than, uh, you know, 10, 10, 15 years.
Speaker 2:I mean, most of these people are a long, long time They've been with the band. Sometimes I wonder if that comes into consideration as they talk about their own future. Do they think about, gosh, we have 18 employees that work for us full-time or whatever that number is? You have no idea, but whatever that number is right, I wonder if that comes into conversation with them, uh, or if that's part of their thinking um for touring and and for all that stuff I mean on the one hand, I think it's not because they they wouldn't do it if they, those guys aren't going to go phone it in.
Speaker 2:No, they're not gonna. You know, I mean so they obviously want to play music, um, but that that is something that is part of their, you know. That's that that their family is much larger than five people, you know what I mean. Trilogy and family that's within their world.
Speaker 1:I mean it's it's uh significant, so but what an impact it's made for all those guys. You're right. Yeah, well, think back, even to like covid they if now, once again, this is just I never got this from the horse's mouth, but it was a very popular story online was that pearl gym never laid off anybody and they paid everybody. So even during COVID, instead of taking the easy route which I mean it's not an easy route, it's, it's the safe route of laying people off or doing something because they had to cancel an entire tour, they, from my understanding and once again I could be wrong, but it was a pretty common story online was that Pearl Jam never shut 10 Club down.
Speaker 1:They continue to pay their employees and do things and do right by them, and one of I mean I know one of the topics that was talked about with Eddie in some interviews was like he, you know they have to pay certain people, certain things, and that's why ticket prices are what ticket prices are and they have to make sure that people are paid. Prices are what ticket prices are and they have to make sure that people are paid. So you know it's a, it's a. It's a tough pill to swallow sometimes with the cost of tickets, but I mean the same sense too.
Speaker 1:It's it's. It's honorable and respectable that they turned around and made sure that the people that are close to them, instead of them struggling because here's the thing I mean honestly, like eddie and the guys they during covid they have enough money in the bank, they don't have to worry, they have no concerns whatsoever. They have enough money in the bank, they don't have to worry, they have no concerns whatsoever. They have residual checks coming in, no issues. But the people that are taking care of them they're not making those kind of funds. So for them to step up and do that speaks highly and speaks volumes for the character.
Speaker 2:I don't know any of that either, so I can't speak on that.
Speaker 1:But they certainly seem like the kind of band that would do that. So, yeah, well, I don't know. Well, I will say this it's 856. I don't think we're gonna be able to get on the topic. I mean, we're we only did fucking two, so I don't, and I know that we're both short on time. So I think we're gonna have to do a part two and the way fucking things are going, it might be a part three. Who the hell knows?
Speaker 2:But I will say this I mean listen Well, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I will say I do want to say one thing, and I mean this, and I was going to wait till the end of the episode. In general, I thought we're going to go through all six topics and then I was going to go back to this, but I want made amazing friends, and Brad and Sam are two people that I adore. They've become family. My kids look at them as aunts and uncles, but to me personally I will say that it has been an honor to have met you, for you to have let me come into your life because of Pearl Jam, for us to have been able to make the impact that we made.
Speaker 1:One of the greatest memories that I'll ever have that it's Pearl Jam related, but not is during our event in Seattle and I got the text message from. I forgot the lady's name at Smash and she said we've gone beyond. And I forgot the number's name at Smash and she said we've gone beyond. And I forgot the number after I met her. But I remember looking at the text message and coming to you crying because we had blown out of the park how much money we raised. And then I went on stage and I was like, hey, we just hit this number and then we were raffling something off and it just was like another $5000, another 10,000.
Speaker 1:And I remember the beginning of that conversation that day, talking to smash, and how important it was to be able to raise money for these artists that are struggling out there. And we were doing this and I knew the impact we were making and it all led back to the fact that you let me into your life and let me be a part of this journey with you. Like being a part of your life and being a part of this journey and being a part of this cause and being able to raise this money for these things has meant so much to me, like I'm grateful for the band allowing me to be able to cross paths with you, to be able to make the impact in people's lives, and that, to me, is worth every episode I've done and every show I've been to and everything that it allowed me to come into these crosshairs with you.
Speaker 2:Well, that's very sweet, anthony, and I appreciate you bringing all of your talent and energy into helping us, certainly for that event alone just helping us fundraise for Smash but I know how much you've done outside of anything that we've done together. I know you've done stuff locally for your own organizations there in Kansas City and back in Virginia, and I know that every time you guys traveled you were doing stuff with Wishlist prior to you going off on your own and doing touring fan lives and stuff. So, yeah, I'm just as grateful for you as well. Um, how many bands could you know, uh, sort of create a community of people that that, um, you know are like this? So, you know, I think of the grateful dead and all these other, all these other organizations or organizations, all the other bands that that have, uh, certainly, similar followings, um and um, but there's not a lot of them.
Speaker 2:No, you know, um there really aren't. Um this is a special community of people, for sure. So, um grateful, I'm grateful to be a very small part of that and um yeah, and it's just it's fun to get together once every month or once every six weeks or once every eight weeks or whatever it is we end up doing. It's fun to get and hang out with you for an hour hour and a half and shoot the shit and talk about our favorite band, so that's pretty great.
Speaker 2:But I have it was. I know that there was so much, so much more.
Speaker 1:We're're gonna have to go back because we have like, we have fucking I don't like six more topics to get to. So what we'll do is this we'll do a part two, maybe three who the hell knows? Um, text me later what your schedule looks like next week or the week after, and we'll go from there. Um, but I know that you're on a short schedule, I am as well and, yeah, we did start.
Speaker 2:We did start harvest yesterday. Uh, here in washington state we picked chardonnay yesterday and I've got more chardonnay coming off on friday, and then our reds are going to start rolling in. So, um, it is going to be a bit crazy, but my evenings are usually open. I'm not, uh, because I'm not, um, I'm not the one staying to the winery until 10 o'clock at night anymore, like I used to. I have a little more free time on my hands.
Speaker 1:We'll figure it out you text me some dates, we'll get it all figured out. We'll do part two. We'll do topics about community and connection, the band influence on social issues, lessons learned from Pearl Jam and looking ahead for what's next for us and Pearl Jam, and then we'll go from there and maybe we'll add some things in between. But what we'll do is this We'll end the show Let me put on some idols in the background on one of my favorite songs right now, which is called Idols oh you're not an idol fan.
Speaker 2:I love idols. Oh, what's it say Idols. You said idols. Right's it say idols. You said idols. Right, I did say idols. Yeah, scottish are they?
Speaker 1:Scottish. Why is there music?
Speaker 2:I don't know hear that nope. Hold on a second you're asking me if I hear anything.
Speaker 1:Jesus it's like a weird fucking trouble oh, my jesus christ, I fucking this. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2:I have the biggest issue where I don't use my equipment go download it on napster, and then you can probably play it uh on your mp3 file on the mp3 file.
Speaker 1:Who the hell says?
Speaker 2:mp3 file. You know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:There we go all right, we got it fixed. I was like go to their myspace page.
Speaker 1:Let's do it myspace is still around well, anyway, listen, tom tom made some money man.
Speaker 1:oh good old tom, he got out when he should have. That was good Alright. Well, listen, I am. I want to say I am super grateful for this band and everything it's given me and the friends it's made. I've talked enough about you and Brad and Sam and Rhiannon's another one who I'm super grateful for that came in to Touring Fan Live and Michelle, who's continuing to battle cancer up in Cincinnati. I adore her tremendously continuing to battle cancer up in Cincinnati. I adore her tremendously. So I am super grateful for five years, but this is only part one of this five-year episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we got part two coming up.
Speaker 1:Until next time. That's Trey, this is Anthony and this is the Idols. The Idols Locked on and go, locked on and go, locked on and go, locked on and go.