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Another Unnecessary List- Drumming Up Controversy: Pearl Jam, RRHOF, and White Stripes' Potential Reunion
Matt Cameron's departure from Pearl Jam has sent shockwaves through the rock community. After 27 years behind the kit, Cameron's exit marks a pivotal moment for one of rock's most enduring bands. What does this mean for Pearl Jam's future? We explore the physical toll of touring on aging musicians and why Pearl Jam's next chapter might look dramatically different from their marathon-show past.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's 2025 inductee announcement has sparked heated debate among music fans. Bad Company gets in while Mariah Carey waits another year? Oasis is passed over despite their triumphant reunion tour selling out stadiums worldwide? We dissect the curious logic behind the Rock Hall's selections and what these decisions reveal about how musical legacies are officially recognized.
The White Stripes induction promises to be the most anticipated moment of the November ceremony. Will the notoriously private Meg White actually perform with Jack for the first time since their 2011 breakup? We explore the possibilities and share why this potential reunion matters so much to rock fans. Meanwhile, 90-year-old session bass legend Carole Kaye takes a principled stand by declining her induction, demanding recognition for her fellow musicians.
From Joy Division to Mariah Carey, we identify the most egregious Rock Hall snubs and discuss why certain artists continue to be overlooked despite their massive influence. Along the way, we share new music discoveries like Dublin's Sprints and Wolf Alice's remarkable vocal range on their new single.
Whether you're mourning Matt Cameron's Pearl Jam exit or scratching your head at the Rock Hall's decisions, this episode captures the passionate conversations happening among music lovers when institutions fail to honor artists appropriately. What band deserves recognition next? Who should induct this year's class? Join us as we celebrate the music that matters and question the gatekeepers who decide what's worthy of remembrance.
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Social classification. A tiny little fix. They're playing with fire and I'm playing with matchsticks because I'm medicated medicated and they like me better when I'm sedated. A self-serving sentiment wraps around my legs as I perch off a plank. Push myself off the edge. There is no good, there's just bad and worse. A self-sufficient category holds me like a hearse. Do you want to go? Tell me the place you would go, and welcome to another unnecessary list, that is Sprints, which I will tell you. I just learned about them. They are a band from Dublin with a female lead singer. I learned them through this rabbit hole of listening to the Idols and Viagra Boys later and this band fucking rocks.
Speaker 2:That is an interesting. From Idols to viagra boys to sprints is an interesting, yeah, rabbit hole. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1:I really really enjoyed that I feel like here recently I've had to get into this like anger release, just music. I don't know. I don't know what it is. It's nothing like. I'm not mad at anything, I'm actually. I feel like I'm doing well, everything works well, life's well, but I just feel like just running through a wall.
Speaker 2:So then you've got to blow off some steam I guess.
Speaker 1:so Fuck, I did that 50 mile bike race.
Speaker 2:What do you like to listen to when you're doing a race? Do you make something ahead of time?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, Because I have a problem where when I first started doing runs, I would add like random. It would just be like, hey, just make a playlist and then next thing you know you're listening to like Rod Stewart's Forever Young and that's a hard song to pump up with.
Speaker 2:I would think so.
Speaker 1:Mile marker 11, and you got two and a half more miles to go for half a marathon, and Forever Young is doing it for you.
Speaker 2:more miles to go for half a marathon, and Forever Young is doing it for you.
Speaker 1:Forever Young no, I need more like this. Yeah, so, but I also like the fact that, like, I feel like there's a lot more female-driven like harder bands coming out that I'm really digging. So, yeah, check them out. Sprints S-P-R-I-N-T-S. They're out of Dublin. This song's called Little Fix. Give them a chance. So. But yeah, we're listen. Tonight's show is going to be all over the place in theory, but we're organized. Me and Brian have worked well. I've worked hard. Brian's always organized. You see his artwork, you see what he does.
Speaker 2:As you can see behind me, with all of the just melange of crap I mean of melange of great art, except for my poster, but um, but yeah, uh, and my bangles cup, which I don't really celebrate, or anything, but uh, but yeah, anthony is and has turned over a leaf or something, a rock maybe, and and we have organization.
Speaker 1:We do, we actually have. Like, I worked hard last night, sent you the show rundown, but originally I made notes today.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah, love it. I don't know if they make any sense or I don't know if you know they're going to illuminate anything for anybody. But yes, I made notes.
Speaker 1:So I mean mean well, first of all, this show couldn't have come in even a more, I guess, crazier time. In theory, if you think about what's trans, I mean you and me, our connections, pearl jam, I think that's. We've talked about that a million times in a show. A lot of things line up to the idea and what pearl jam is and how that's brought us all together. Yesterday we got some of the.
Speaker 1:I would say I don't think shocking, because I think everything, life in general, comes to an end. Everything changes. It's inevitable, right, like it's going to happen. But out of the blue, we all just came off a drunk bender from 4th of July. We're, you know, we're trying to get our feet on the ground. It's a Monday. We're like, hey, all right, we're back to work, and we get this letter, matt's. Matt puts posts this letter out, um basically saying like hey, you know, um, it's just my, it's, you know, I'm ready to, I'm ready for what's next in my life and is leaving Pearl Jam. So my question to you is when you read that post that he had put online?
Speaker 2:what was like the immediate thing coming to you. I was shocked. It felt like. It felt like when you see it like a death. I mean it felt like when you see you know, oh, michael Madsen or whatever celebrity has passed away and you're like, damn, I was really surprised. I think that I was really surprised.
Speaker 2:I think that, and from the notes I made, matt Cameron is the definitive drummer for Pearl Jam. I don't think there's any question about that at all. I think that they've had a lot of interesting drummers that have played with them. They've all been a little bit different, but there's no question that Matt is. Matt is the I'm not going to say best I but there's no question that matt is matt is the I'm not going to say best but he's the definitive pearl jam drummer. He's been with them the longest and played with him in a variety of different ways, and I found it you know, it's obviously interesting that he played on their demos and then eventually finds his way back to Pearl Jam after Soundgarden is done and that whole kind of history that they have. So what did you think? I was pretty shocked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know first of all, as of anything, you can really read into something more than you should, right?
Speaker 1:And sometimes it's a little like you read it and then it's like what, what does this mean? You start peeling back. So the letter wrote like and just so it. So everyone's on the same page. If you haven't read this, this was posted on matt cameron's instagram and then I would say it was like.
Speaker 1:18 minutes later, matt uh, pearl jam sent an email out and with like a generic like, not for many band members, but from more or less like 10 club. But Matt said after 27 fantastic years, I am taking my final. I'm taking my final steps down the drum riser for the mighty Pearl jam. Much love and respect to Jeff, ed, mike and stone for inviting me into the band in 1998. And for giving me the opportunity of a lifetime, one filled with friendship, artistry, challenges and laughter. I am forever grateful to the crew, staff and fans the world over. It's been an incredible journey. More to follow. Thank you all from the bottom of my heart. Peace and love, matt cameron. So all right, so there's going to be some.
Speaker 1:Let me talk about a couple things. One I've read this a few times and one I'm like. Well, you know, there was an interview that came out about six weeks ago where he did a video interview. It's online and he talks about like his daughter just graduated college, another one graduated high school, his son is in a band that's about to hit the road and like he feels like he's missing a lot. So it's tough being a musician but he loves what he does and that's tough. I get that know. And then there was you know. He talked about how hard it was for him to be in Pearl Jam. It's very, it's very heavy on him and on his body. He had to take ice baths before and after the show and then I got this text message yesterday. So the I haven't shared this with you yet, but I'm going to read this Now. This is not coming from anybody inside of the band, but this is coming from someone that shares stuff with me sometimes, and sometimes it's correct and sometimes it's not. Um, but this is what he wrote to me and I would like for your opinion from this. Once again, this is nothing written in stone, but coming from somebody that seems to know some things.
Speaker 1:Um, from what I was told today, matt had expressed his exhaustion from touring essentially to the band. Last year, to elevate the stress, the band devised a new touring strategy allowing them to play multiple shows in a single city with a day off in between. This approach aimed to give Matt an opportunity to relax and recover. However, max found this regimen challenging, still as his technically proficient drummer who puts a lot of strain on his body. After the last show in Nashville, matt informed the band that, despite the day off and the experience was still taxing, and he decided to play his final show with them in Pittsburgh. The band advised him to reconsider, but he ultimately changed his mind after returning home. The decision was influenced by his son's upcoming band tour, his daughter's recent college graduation and his other daughter's graduation from high school.
Speaker 1:Matt prioritized spending more time with his family and future music projects. I understand that it will be difficult to replace Matt and I doubt that the band will be touring anytime soon. And then there's some more stuff that he talks. It goes into a thing. So you know that's not coming from Matt Cameron, that's not coming from Pearl Jam's band member, that's coming from someone that I know. That seems to, I'd say, 80% correct most things, so, and it seems legitimate. I mean you have kids. I mean you're also an artist and you know, I know that when your children were doing certain things in your life. You had to prioritize like, hey, am I going to really take more time away to do my art or am I going to want to spend more time with my children? And I believe you chose your children over your art.
Speaker 2:I think I mean, yeah, I totally that makes sense. I mean that tracks, you know these guys are 60 years old and being a man that just turned 50, you know that's that is definitely a big deal, I mean, and I, and to play three hour shows, I would think over the course of a week or something like that, has got to be very difficult. So I think that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:And this is where I think we need to start thinking about not, I'm not thinking about, but like what is next? Right? Well, let's first let's talk about Matt Cameron, because Matt Cameron is a huge part of Pearl gym and I understand, like. First of all, I will say this I've you know, I don't know Dave a bruise. I will say this I don't know Dave Abruzzi, dave A real. Well, I have a couple comments here and there, conversations offline, but I like that. He stepped up today and was like listen, everybody asking me to jump into this band, guys, I've done a lot of other stuff. Pearl Jam doesn't talk to me. I appreciate them. As a band. We've had our differences. If they want to reach out to me, great, but I don't need everyone and their mother tagging me in a post about jumping into this no, that's, that's not, that's definitely not gonna happen no, dave cruzan was on um one of the radio shows in seattle this morning and you know everyone's like, hey, you know, has anyone reached out to you?
Speaker 1:you know what's going on? He was very vague, but I I don't think dave cruzen's the answer either, and I love dave cruzen he's an amazing person.
Speaker 2:I don't think. I certainly don't think it's going to be a snap decision. I don't think they're going to be. I don't think they're this week. They're not going to say, hey, guess who our new drummer is? That's not going to happen. Um, you know the? The name that came to my mind was Jack Irons. I know that he still has a relationship with Eddie. I think he's played on two of my favorite Pearl Jam albums ever no Code and Heeled and I think he definitely pushed them in a different direction at that time, just the way he played.
Speaker 2:Now, do they want to do that at the age of 60? Do they want to be pushed in different directions? I don't know. I don't know if they want to be that experimental or what they want to do. I don't know how many albums they're going to release at this point. Is it going to be another album? Is it going to be two albums?
Speaker 2:I mean, they're getting older and I totally understand that. I mean I don't see them like the Stones playing at 80. And I hope they don't feel like they have to. I think that they've built a beyond respectable career as a live band and and a studio band and I don't think that they should feel the need to need the need to continue doing that If they don't want to. I think it'd be great to see Jack irons or somebody else get behind the kid and to see what they come up with. But do I think that this is the end of Pearl Jam? No, no, I think it's the end of Pearl Jam that we've known them. I think that there may be records, there may be singles, there'll be a tour at some point, but I don't think it's going to be an every year type of thing.
Speaker 1:No, and here's the thing too. So and this is I had a great conversation last night about this. I think the thing too is we're about to go through another phase, right? So when I mean phase when we went to let Pearl Jam play 2018 and then COVID happened, and then we didn't see him again until See Her Now Festival, which was what?
Speaker 1:2021 or 22, whatever it was. But there was a gap in between them and there was a change in them, the way they looked, the way they played short of set list. A lot happened in those years. Well, I don't. I don't think we're gonna see pearl jump play for another probably two years. Honestly, I don't see him hitting a stage for two years and I also see them doing kind of what some other bands have done. It's taxing for mike mccready to play the way he does. It's taxing for jeff ament to do what he does. It's taxing for stone. You know, boom I mean boom's probably the oldest one in the band. How much longer is he going to be around? Josh clinhoffer is not really a piece of the band and eddie is older and I think eddie you'll see start doing solo stuff, because I think that he's going to need that to feed I in my opinion this is where I am gonna go.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go shoot for the moon. I think pearl gem is gonna end up hiring a female drummer.
Speaker 1:I know people are gonna call me crazy really I think, oh yeah, I think, in my opinion, right pearl gem has been very much uh, they're activists in many ways. They believe in the rights and and this is a great opportunity for them to let that that, that that kind of that, fit right and there is a lot of talented them to let that fit right and there is a lot of talented female musicians out there. I do think we're going to see a lot of, probably in the earlier days of whoever the drummer is. You're going to see a lot of festival shows, and the reason they'll play festival shows is you can play it safe. You can play a lot of the original songs and things of that nature. So when they come back, whenever, that is, whether it's in two years, three years, four years- whatever it is.
Speaker 1:It's going to be safe. It's not going to be them coming out and doing marathons ever again. The days of Marathon Pearl Jam are long gone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I might even go one step further and think the days of a full scale tour might be over. Think that days of a full-scale tour might be over. Um, I could see them doing, you know, like you said, festivals, or doing maybe hitting chicago, new york, la, stuff like that I don't think they're gonna do. I think the dark matter tour is probably the last full-scale tour that they're going to do. I agree with you, maybe one, maybe like a farewell tour or something like that, although I think they'd still play, but I think maybe one more go around, much more limited, I think. But I think that the days of seeing them put out an album and tour behind that album are probably over.
Speaker 1:You know, we're five years away from 40 years of this band being together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right.
Speaker 1:And that's unheard of.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, it's insane when you think about it, yeah, when you think about it, and you think about other bands and how long they've been. I, it is a. It is a very small collection of of groups that have been together that long.
Speaker 1:I mean you could count them on like one hand probably and even the most successful groups that we love, they never toured that long.
Speaker 2:Led zeppelin nope, no not at all.
Speaker 1:Nope, no. Some of the greatest bands that everyone idolizes to this day as being some of the greatest musicians of all time, they were together for a short period of time and still had that impact on music. Pearl.
Speaker 2:Jam's been together. I think the fact that they've been able to still be in a band and still be friends and not just be annoyed with each other on occasion, I mean I think that that's really a huge step or just shows a lot about their commitment as a band, their commitment to their music and their craft, but also just kind of their commitment to each other as friends. I think that you know, we talked about it in the show where we talked about documentaries. You look at that Metallica documentary.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's a lot of resentment and things that can be built up amongst people in any type of relationship, but certainly in the relationship of a band, and the push and pull of creativity and things like that. So I definitely think that it says a lot that they're still together and that they still were playing shows and making albums. So I do think that will continue, but on a much, much smaller scale. And you know what Hats off to them. I don't think that we should think of this as like a farewell or a negative or anything like that. I mean, they've given us a lot of this. We should just be so grateful of whatever we get of this band, because I think that they've really given us a lot and we should be thankful for that.
Speaker 1:No, I totally agree with you. So what I think happens is Pearl jam is going to come back, kind of like the who did, and I think we're going to see a lot more pieces on stage so that it helps carry the weight of the band a little bit. Um, kind of like the Rolling Stones did a little bit, in the sense that there's pieces to make it a little more filling. I think they did that with Josh a little bit in the background, like he was able to fill in some spaces. Yeah, they're still super talented. They're more talented than I'll ever be in anything in life. But at some point it just wears on you and it's it becomes this thing where you start questioning can you do it? And if you have a little bit of help, why not take it? So, yeah, I'm grateful that, mac, I was able to see Matt Cameron. I mean a lot and I'm a little bummed that this was the first tour. I decided to be like I'm just going to stay home for this tour, first tour since 2006.
Speaker 1:And I'm like I'm going to stay home for this one and son of a bitch. She bit me in the ass, but it's all right. It's all right. That just means the next time they come out. I got to fucking stones and be like you know what I'm quitting.
Speaker 2:You can't put this on yourself, Anthony. It's not and it's all your fault. Well, you didn't go and somebody left the band. Totally could be, Anyway.
Speaker 1:I've been waiting to hush that button. When you look at this idea of what Pearl Jim has been, they've had a lot of great drummers that come through Dave Cruz and Dave a Jack irons. You know, richard Suveroods filled in for them and you know, and here's the thing, they can make a new album. They could. They could legitimately have a bunch of music and they could have, like a Richard Kruzan or anybody, go in and be a recording drummer and then figure it out later. I mean, they're going to. You know, I would say that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2:Didn't Primus' drummer just leave recently? Yes, I think we need to also think about how hard drumming is on the body.
Speaker 1:Look what happened to Rush.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean this is a hard thing and it's taxing and it's way more. I mean the whole performance is is physical for everybody, but think that for the drummer it's it's even more so and, uh, you know, I think we gotta. We gotta give that some thought, because I was, I was watching of the Black Sabbath concert over the weekend and there was at one point in time they had it was Chad Smith and Travis Barker and the drummer from Tool all on stage playing and they were just all going at it. And thinking about this just makes me think about how dedicated they have to be from a physical standpoint to even do what they do. And, um, that's probably, you know, that's something that we probably just don't think about enough, about the physicality of of being a drummer and and how hard that is on your body, especially if you're doing a show that's like two or three hours long correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only thing that that is. There's two things. One, I'm hoping that the information that was given to me yesterday is more accurate, that it was just like, hey, it's just me time for me to step out the limelight. Two, I hope that this isn't anything that is health related. I hope he's a healthy and everything's good.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:And health related. I hope he's a healthy and everything's good. Oh, absolutely yeah. And then the third thing is when you read that thing, it says more to come later. And that is almost like the end of a 1966 batman episode, where batman is tied to the damn chainsaw, you know, rolling through and it's like will he get cut? What coming next? Well, next.
Speaker 2:Are you thinking what I'm thinking? He's not going to Foo Fighters.
Speaker 1:Everyone in the movie.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. I think there may be some Soundgarden stuff happening.
Speaker 1:That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. I know that they've. I know Annie Clark and, oh my goodness, what's the female singer from Seattle that played with them recently? Star Anna.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no. I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I don't remember her name but I know who you're talking about studio um, or over the summer last couple weeks, uh, like I guess, playing with some members of sound garden, which is kind of speculating that they potentially could be the vocals for when they play at the rock and roll hall of fame in la an interesting segue there you see what I did there yeah yeah, so well, let's jump. Let's jump. You want to jump right into the rock and roll?
Speaker 2:Let's, let's, let's wish Matt Cameron, let's thank Matt Cameron for all of his awesomeness and amazing time he spent with Pearl jam. So thank you, matt. We appreciate you and love that you shared your talent with us for as long as you did, and we wish you the best. And you know Pearl Jam, we'll get what we get and we won't be upset.
Speaker 1:That's right. To Matt Cameron we say thank you.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right enough of that, and let's go right into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1:Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. First of all, I feel like some of the best episodes we do are about the rock and roll hall of fame because it causes so much controversy, and there's a lot of controversy with this year's oh my god, what?
Speaker 2:I don't know what you're thinking, but yes, the the controversy on yes, I mean I would say this how shocked were you?
Speaker 1:based off of what we thought was going to go in, that actually went in On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being like everything is exactly what I expected and 10 being like holy shit, there's a bomb being dropped.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm not a betting man so I'd go 5. But I mean there are some. I mean I got a bad company. Come on, man, come on.
Speaker 1:Bad company goes. We got a bad company. Come on, man, come on.
Speaker 2:We got a lot of shit about bad company, bad company online. But that goes back to that whole like, if we put everybody in, then what does it mean? I mean, I'm sorry, I just that's. Bad company is not my thing. I apologize, but the fact that Mariah got shut out again makes no sense, Makes no sense, Makes no sense. And I was, like what you know, so happy to see Cyndi Lauper. That was great. But yeah, Mariah just not cool, Not cool.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make sense to me, an artist in the caliber of Mariah Carey, who has been in so many eyes of so many artists that have said I would not be an artist today if not for Mariah Carey. Mariah Carey is a reason that I started singing.
Speaker 2:I used to sing Mariah Carey in the shower, all these things that artists constantly say she checks all the boxes, all the boxes, like everything, and you're like you're going to make her wait and because she's gonna get it, there's no question about it, but you're gonna make her wait another year.
Speaker 1:She should have been first time, first ballot man, just yeah, absolutely so, especially when you look at some of the artists that get in on the first time. And then you look at mariah carey, whose accolades of just how many songs she has out in the world that are the number ones in the top hundreds. How many songs?
Speaker 2:written, produced, performed. I mean she's, she's done everything and she's, she's set, you know, she's set records that other people aren't even going to touch, ever touch, ever touch. So I mean she's, uh, you know she's a juggernaut and uh, and you know, I'm not, don't no disrespect, I'm not, you know, I'm not, don't no disrespect, I'm not. You know, after this show, getting on and putting on Mariah Carey's greatest hits, I mean, I don't, that's not something that I jam to or anything like that, but you've got to recognize the talent and just what she's done in music and it's just, it's unparalleled. So the fact that she is denied yet again is, you know, is disappointing to say the least.
Speaker 1:The the idea of Mariah Carey in its own sense to compare to some of the artists have got in Right. I know that I can go upstairs and play a few Mariah Carey songs and my kids are going to know it.
Speaker 2:And oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm at a 15 year old and a nine year old they're going to be. Oh God, no, that is right. I'm going to go upstairs, I'll play Joe Cocker. My kids will not know who Joe Cocker is. My kids will not know who Bad Company is. My wife, who is my same age as me 40 years old will not know who the fuck Bad Company is, but she knows Mariah Carey. And the thing is, when Rock and Roll Hall of Fame decided go in a different direction of just not being your traditional rock and roll band and really elevating it to the idea of we're going to celebrate all artists of all different genres and really celebrate as more of just a music hall of fame, but still keeping the name rock and roll hall of fame yeah they are overlooking such crazy acts.
Speaker 1:We'll talk more about that later, but the idea that this class overlooked mariah carey, then, and then I'm a mark. I'm all about marketing, right, like all about what makes you money. So, mariah Carey, they have rabbit fans. We had so much love on Tik TOK because we celebrated Mariah Carey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1:I didn't realize that she had fans like that. They would have made done so well with that. Mariah Carey deserves those accolades, kerry deserves those accolades. I'm saying the other thing that just blows my mind. Right now there has been two hot topics across all. Every single rolling stone, spin magazine nme, every facebook tiktok. Everything that they've been talking about has been two artists ozzy osbourne and oasis. Ozzy's in black, sabbath's in. They're already in rocker hall of fame. You can't really do much with them. Oasis is selling out shows and their ticket prices are outrageous on the secondary market.
Speaker 2:They are killing it. Their live shows are fucking out of this world. I think at this peak with the reunion and the shows, I cannot believe that Oasis didn't get in either. I mean, I think it's yeah, you're right. From a marketing perspective, who puts asses in the seats? Mariah Carey and Oasis will put asses in the seats. Is Bad Company putting asses in the seats no.
Speaker 1:And I will say this too about Oasis. Now we come from an American market, right, so we may see things through the eyes of what we're in through america, usa, that what we see through mtv vh1, our music, and it's changed a little bit now that we have spotify online, whatever, but there was an. There was this great video the other day by I think it's liam and noel's, so it's one of the other daughters, I think. She started a podcast where she talked to people that were huge Oasis fans and why they were Oasis fans, and one of the guys was talking about how his dad was a big Beatles fan and while he appreciated the Beatles, this was his Beatles, and there was so many fucking people talking about this were their Beatles, this was their Beatles.
Speaker 1:I heard that constantly in this podcast and the reason why and then there was at the end of this video was people's reactions to the band coming on stage and like I think it was, for some might say like there was this woman, probably in her 50s, like just crying her eyes out and after the show she's like it's the power of music and the power of these guys that have just defined me and changed my life, and now we feel that with pearl jam. Yeah, they feel that with oasis. But I think that the idea of how that band is so huge overseas and they're so huge over here but not nearly as big as it overseas I mean, yeah, a lot of bands are like that Kasabian the Prodigy, they're big over here, they're not nearly as big as they are overseas. Oasis deserved to be a first-time Bad Company over Oasis. Come on now.
Speaker 2:I don't want to, and all these 70-year-old men click-clacking in their dirty white fucking tank top at home.
Speaker 1:Oh it's an old Bad Company. Oh, you never saw that movie. You don't understand what bad company has done. Knowing the artists I listen to, we're fucking influenced by bad company and, honestly.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Yeah, and we've talked about that before Nobody's saying you know what, I picked up a guitar because of bad company. No, I'm sure there's tons of people that say I picked up a guitar or I started singing because of Noel and Liam from Oasis. I mean, I don't know I was. I mean I'm like you know, we've talked about just being music nerds. I mean.
Speaker 2:So July 4th was the first reunion concert in Wales and I was following, I was reading a live blog of it because I wanted to see what was going on and just, it was just and if you've seen any of the videos online, it was just amazing. I've seen any of the videos online. It was just amazing. I mean, so many people everybody's singing, everybody's having a great time. It was just, it was really an amazing. Uh, you know I didn't see everything, but it was really amazing what I saw. And then you, you know bookend that with the black sabbath show, which was the fifth, and I was following a live blog on that too, and it was just amazing. It's just amazing to see that and really, really cool. But, yeah, I think that you're absolutely right that how do you just not take the opportunity to put Oasis in at this point in time when they're selling out huge arenas and they're going to be doing it all summer long in the United States. I just think it's crazy.
Speaker 1:This is when you look at how tone deaf the role the people that run the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame really are. Cause honestly you could have had it where you're talking, cause I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in November. Oasis is already going to be in north america. It's, it's done yeah you could have.
Speaker 1:You could have live streamed that paid for click and if you had sound, garden, white stripes and uh and and an oasis. You're talking about a home run anyway, it's. It's super fucking frustrating how I just don't think they get it, and when I looked at the list today because I was putting in people that hadn't gotten in and stuff like that and I was looking at how they influence music today and how the people they influence got in, but they didn't.
Speaker 1:It just my vein on my forehead that keeps protruding as I get older was like it just doesn't.
Speaker 2:yeah, man, it just doesn't make sense. And I understand that everybody can't get in at the same time, but when we talk about it all the time, I go back to the Pixies and Nirvana. That is a direct line right there, kurt's reverence for the Pixies and saying that they ripped them off with Smells Like Teen Spirit and other songs. That's just a band that. How do you not put them in? Just because they influenced one of the greatest bands of our generation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting, but the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is on November 8th and Oasis is not a part of it. But let me tell you.
Speaker 2:So yes, tell us who else is getting in.
Speaker 1:So Bad Company. Chubby Checker, joe Cocker, cindy Lauper, outkast Soundgarden and the White Stripes are in the performer category.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Salt-N-Pepa. Warren Zevon will be honored with the Musical Influence Award. Why? Tom Bell, nikki Hopkins and Carol Kay will receive the Musical Excellence Award, and then Lenny Wanker will be recognized for the Amherst.
Speaker 2:The Amit Erdogan.
Speaker 1:Thank, you See this is where this is, when we realize how much more sophisticated you are than I am, cause I can barely fucking read English.
Speaker 2:Okay, but yeah. So the interesting thing on that list that you've read, which I thought and I wrote WTF, not because I don't think they deserve to be in, but they weren't even on the nominees list is Salt-N-Pepa. Where did Salt-N-Pepa come from? Yeah, how does that work? Because Warren Zevon was on the list of nominees, correct?
Speaker 1:salt and peppa just magically appears out of nowhere and it wasn't like they were writing for the fan vote.
Speaker 2:And that's another thing about the tone deafness of the rock and roll fame, because leaps and bounds they don't fan vote was won by fish and they basically said fuck you guys well, dave, dave matthews won it like three years in a row in a row, before they even got in. So but yeah, I mean, you know, fish people are crazy and in a good way, but yeah, that's. That's another one that you're like how do they not get in and how do they not get in? And how does mariah not get in? But salt and peppa just comes out and I'm like I said, I don't have anything against salt and peppa. I want to make that clear. But how did this happen?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know, it's just like how I want to know, just like the machinations of how does salt and peppa just pop up in there when they weren't even nominated? I think it's.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it's ever happened uh, I, you know that's a great thing. Um, I mean honestly, here's they've won four grammy awards uh, 95 won best rap performance by a doer group for none of your business 92. They were nominated for best rap performance for doer group for let's talk about sex 89. They nominated for best rap performance for push it. And then in 2020, they received a lifetime achievement award in the grammys. Um other notable awards is Holloway Walk of Fame, received a star in 2022. They won Best R&B Video for what a man? Soul Train. Lady of Soul Awards 95. And then two more BET Hip Hop Awards I Am Hip Hop Award in 2010,. And then Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducted this year.
Speaker 2:Realistically, it's not a lot, but I mean I understand and I'm not saying like I said. I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be in. You know female-fronted hip-hop group in the 80s, very rare, obviously influenced probably people like Missy Elliott, who is also in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. For me it's merely where did they come from? They weren't nominated to get in and they just get in from this musical influence and it's a backdoor thing a little bit too, because they're not going to be a former category, and we've talked about that before.
Speaker 2:Because talked about that before because that's how other um other acts have gotten in and and you're kind of like what, and it's never, it's not, it's never. Like you know, every year they put in two musical influences or something like that. Sometimes they do it and sometimes they don't. Yeah, um, they also have that category like side men. Yeah, like mariah Carey is not a musical influence? I mean, come on now, ridiculous. So that's all I'm going to say about the Salt-N-Pepa thing. But I just thought it was crazy that, out of nowhere, we're like, oh, salt-n-pepa's getting in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a shocker and, like I said, when we look at the original list, like I said, I think it's if you're going to push this whole communication with social media and you're, as a rock and roll hall of fame, you're going to be putting these things out on every social media platform, vote for this. You got to get the band behind it. Everyone's getting behind it. You got fish doing things.
Speaker 1:You had black it's gotta mean something yeah, I mean black crows got snubbed over a bad company you're trying to you're trying to tell me as, as a human being, right now that is, I'm not trying to tell you anything. I am talking to the man in the glass office at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, ohio, who decided to say I am going to do Bad Company over Black Crowes because Bad Company has done more for music than Black Crowes. I disagree.
Speaker 1:I agree, salt and pepper in over Mariah Carey, because saltepa is more than Mariah Carey is. No, it doesn't make sense and, yes, you said something that was very powerful before. You can't put all of these amazing people in one year, but you also can't set a precedent over one over the other when it doesn't make sense. And what doesn't make sense is the level of commitment that some artists like black crows and, um, what's called fish, their bands had newsletters out. They were pushing for this and then they were up there top two, top three, most votes, and they're fucking totally ignored their, their tour, I mean, and they're touring like currently.
Speaker 2:I mean they are currently doing stuff, making, making music, and it's no disrespect to Bad Company. They've only got two original members even left and they can't tour anymore because they're really old. And I get that and that's fine and I understand that. But it makes you think maybe they don't belong there, maybe they don't, and it's no disrespect to their careers, but if everybody gets in, it doesn't mean anything Exactly, and I think that that's what we've talked about before and so let's talk about. So let's talk about the inductees and and and what we could, what we could experience with performances. Okay, because the first thing that I went to look at was okay, who's alive is my first thing. So we've got there's two original members of bad company left and they're not touring, so they're not performing. I mean they'll have now, granted, we will have people that will come on and do bad company songs. So don't, if you're a huge bad company fan, you're going to get Bad Company songs. So if you're a huge Bad Company fan, you're going to get a couple songs, but you're not going to get them from the Bad Company people.
Speaker 2:Chubby Checker's 83. I'm thinking he's not performing. Joe Cocker is not with us anymore, so he's not performing either. So that leaves us with Cyndi Lauper, outkast, soundgarden and the White Stripes. Will they do some sort of Salt-N-Pepa Warren Zevon thing? Probably Salt-N-Pepa might perform, because they're still around, warren Zevon unfortunately not. So I think we definitely get Cindy Lauper. I think we definitely get OutKast. I think OutKast will reunite, hopefully. I was bummed last year when Tribe, called Quest, didn't perform when they had people perform for them. That kind of bummed me out. I wanted to see Q-Tip and I wanted to see Tribe do it. So hopefully I'm hoping Outcast is going to perform. That would mean a lot to me. They've got to do something for Soundgarden. Soundgarden has got to and fingers crossed, hopefully it is like you said. You know some female vocalists I think would be awesome. I think you know we get oh, what's her name?
Speaker 2:He's also from Seattle, who's performed with them before we were just talking about this but but uh, st Vincent, annie Clark, annie Clark, uh, the other lady, but uh, shoot, can't remember her name. She performed with them. It's right on the tip of my tongue.
Speaker 1:Brandi Carlile. Brandi Carlile, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I was kind of hoping that they would do like the thing that Nirvana did, where they had different singers come on and perform songs with them. I'd really really think that that would be cool. But I think for me, obviously, and I don't know if it is for you but the definitive question is going to be will the white stripes reunite and will Meg play?
Speaker 1:Well, that's a whole nother topic. Let's not jump into that yet. Okay, let's, let's. Let's have it for a minute. I'm going to say this about Bad Company. So the only artists that I can find online that have acknowledged their influence by them and love them, good digging, yeah. So Guns and Axl Rose has said multiple times that Bad Company played a huge impact on his life that made him want to be a musician. So I could say Axl Rose would be a good you know. Induct them in, potentially perform later on.
Speaker 2:I hope so. I hope they don't let him sing.
Speaker 1:He's not as bad as he used to be.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so hard man. I don't know if you saw any of the Black Sabbath show, but he is rough.
Speaker 1:I saw some of it, but I didn't see the Guns N' Roses thing, the other band that's interesting. So a newer band, the Struts, have come out and said multiple times and they've actually covered on their tour Rock and Roll Fantasy as one of their songs they talk about how Bad Company is a big influence on them, which is weird to me because their music doesn't sound anything similar. But I mean, it doesn't mean that you can't bridge off that. Sure, sure, I think having a younger maybe, I don't maybe having axl rose perform one of the songs or induct them and then having the struts perform one of the, I could see something like that. Um, interesting, yeah, I, I tried doing my homework. I have a lot of notes. Um, chubby checker, I think you know chubby checkers influence a lot of people so that's gonna be interesting to see who introduces him.
Speaker 1:Um joe cocker, I would like to see Springsteen induct him in. In my opinion, I think that's a good one. Cindy Lauper, I feel as though you're going to see someone kind of like Pink, who is also.
Speaker 2:That's exactly who I thought. Yeah, look at us, look at us.
Speaker 1:I thought well, you know what?
Speaker 2:My first thought was Katy Perry and I'm like don't be Katy Perry, no, don't be Katy Perry, no, please be like Pink, somebody with some edge, yep.
Speaker 1:That has been influenced by her and I think Pink is also. I think if she wants to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, this is a good way to get your foot in the door, kind of like Eddie did, because Pink is eligible.
Speaker 2:They definitely do. It's like a favorite Because you know they. It's like a favorite. It was like, I mean, because, like cheryl crow, I think, she inducted like 50 people and I'm being, you know, facetious, but she inducted a bunch of people before she finally got in, um, and she was always at the show. So, yeah, I hope that somebody like, yeah, somebody like pink, somebody with some edge, is gonna, you know, give cindy lopper her due. Yeah, I totally agree with you. Outcast, I mean, I don't know, I would think somebody from Atlanta to induct Outcast, who I really can't speculate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not that heavy in the game. I love Outcast. I actually waited in line for that dual album and it kills me that's the last album they put out, because that was pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:I would just love I can't even think of, like I mean, bombs over baghdad and, and you know, obviously hey, uh and stuff like that, you know get a like a three song set from them. I think would really be fun and exciting.
Speaker 1:But I know that they don't.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't think it's that they don't get along, but I just they don't.
Speaker 1:They're two different styles of musicians they are, they are and I think that last album really did, really did that where I think you look at how one side was more pop rap, where it was kind of pop poppy and stuff, where the other side was very much more atlanta bass rap and you know, but they still, kind of the chemistry, worked well together. It was almost two separate albums in its own sense.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:But I hope that this pushes them to go out a little bit more. I would say that I would like to see is run the jewels from no, they're from Baltimore. I would like to see run the jewels.
Speaker 2:That would be nice.
Speaker 1:Cause I always look at them and feel like there's an outcast influence.
Speaker 2:I wonder if maybe Killer Mike would induct them.
Speaker 1:That's a good idea.
Speaker 2:Look at us coming up with these things, yeah, and then SoundCloud, everything in this podcast is copywritten, so if you guys do this the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame you will receive a cease and desist order. No, you will owe us money A lot of it, yeah, lots of money for giving you these ideas, all of them, which I'm sure you haven't thought of none of them. You are all original, you are schlubs.
Speaker 1:You don't know nothing. It's all about all, all original, all original. Um. Sound garden is the one where I find it interesting. Sound garden was a bridge for most fans of music from the 80s and 90s and I've said this, I think sound garden is really the true person band that really did get grunge off and I hate the word grunge, but really get grunge going because they were the transition from heavy metal into the seattle sound.
Speaker 1:They were that perfect mixture of things and sound garden really doesn't get that credit enough. And they should, because what Soundgarden was able to accomplish in an era where hair metal was kind of on the decline and people were and it happens all the time were wanting something more, soundgarden had this mixture of two different sounds where they built things, and that's why Matt Cameron was such an easy transplant from that band into Pearl Jam and really elevate it to another level. Sound Garden was and is almost a perfect rock and roll band. They had so many perfect parts of it. They had one of probably the greatest vocalists of my lifetime in it, chris Cornell, who could sing like a fucking angel. They had Matt Cameron on drums, and then it's pieced in with Kim and why can't I think of the other person's name?
Speaker 2:help me out, brian thank you so but, also just so, so holy, I mean, but taking all those things from, like you know, the Sabbath influence and in the punk influence, and I think that they, I think that they, I think that they, like you said, they really kind of coalesce those two together, the punk and the punk aesthetic and the heavy metal, and they really brought it, cause I mean you look, you listen to, you, look at Nirvana and Nirvana punk, yes, not so much heavy metal, I mean, I think it's more they're, they're more, yes, not so much heavy metal, I mean, I think it's more they're they're more punk and pop. I think there was a less heavy metal influence with nirvana, um, and I think you know, for pearl jam it was more like stadium rock and punk, yeah, and that kind of aesthetic. But uh, yeah, I think that and and let's not forget that soundgarden had to slug it out, Like they opened for like Guns N' Roses, and people hated them, like threw batteries and shit at them. I mean they had to play. So they were really dealing with that, you know, trying to appeal to that metal audience, and they did, and they broke through there and I think you could even say, you know, like Alice in Chains did it too, but not to the extent that Soundgarden did, because I think Soundgarden did it first.
Speaker 2:I agree, yeah, so that's a big deal. I think that they were able to because I think that metal people are very kind of protective of that like of metal and and they don't necessarily like outsiders. So sound garden really had to win over a lot of people, yeah, and and they did it and they were successful and they were. They were a weird, quirky band I mean not so much on super unknown but I'm sorry on on bad motor finger, but super unknown and and down on the upside they got. They were weird and quirky and did funny stuff and and stuff that you just that other bands didn't do, correct. So I think that's what really makes them stand out.
Speaker 2:I couldn't agree and I'm really excited to see, like what, how they're, how they're honored and who they get to try to replicate one of the greatest voices, one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time, which is Chris Cornell, and there's no question about that.
Speaker 1:It's going to be interesting. Now before we go to the next artists, because I feel like we're going to be talking about them a little bit, let's just jump ahead real quick too. So you have Salt-N-Pepa and Warren Zevon, who are going to be honored with the Music Influence Award, which, if they do it like they did in the past, where you have multiples, they're going to basically do a video package of both of them. They're going to have them come up and then they'll have a little short speech. It won't be long.
Speaker 2:Think you're gonna have any performances by them, um, tom bell, nikki hopkins and carol k we're gonna get to her in a second, because this is someone that I didn't know who she was, but I, I totally fucking respect her. Oh, and I, you know, honestly, I had just watched that wrecking crew documentary, like maybe a month ago. Crazy right, yeah, yeah it was. It was insane the amount of amazing records that these people were on and they wrote a lot of that shit. And Carol Kay wrote a lot of these bass lines that you have heard for years on classic rock radio and all of these things, and I didn't realize that they'd be like, oh, I'll just whip this up. And they did it and recorded it, but very rarely got credit for it. So that, to me, was pretty shocking.
Speaker 1:So let's talk about Carole Kay, shall we? Yes, so Carole Kay, which we've kind of I'm trying to look, I'm pulling up her song, she's been so is a bassist that was basically in a house band, and a house band back Cause back a long time ago in the sixties and seventies and even in the fifties, even like what Jimmy page did you would get paid to be in these bands that would record music for singers, cause majority of the time they were pushing singers like Elvis and things of that nature, so that you would be able to, you know, just have that music and then tour with it and they would create the music. So Carol Kay was a was a bassist in America and she is one of the probably the most prolific recorded bass guitarist in rock and pop music. Um, she has estimated 10,000 recordings in over 65 years. She was born in 1935 in everett, washington. She's 90 years old.
Speaker 1:She is 90 years old she's 90 years old and she is probably has the biggest balls of anyone I've ever seen. With the way that she came out, I love it. I'm not even mad at her, I'm actually. She's become like a hero to many because she believed in something so much and, hey, you know, she's created some amazing baselines. Oh yeah, she basically said I am not going into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an individual. I was part of a larger collaboration with people and the fact that we're not all going in does not make sense. And she basically said not going to happen, which is I admire her because it means more. That means to me. It shows what the Rocker Hall of Fame means to somebody and what being a musician means to her and going in without the people that she grew up with. That made these 10 000 songs I mean you're talking about um, she did, uh, was it bad vibrations or no good vibrations?
Speaker 2:good vibrations, yeah, the beach.
Speaker 1:She did. She did the fucking batman theme from 1966. Did you know that?
Speaker 2:yeah, I was looking at her. Her she's just, she's touched, like all these things that are amazing. And and, yeah, I and and so did all of these other, all these other people I know she doesn't like the term, the wrecking crew but, um, all these other musicians that were in the wrecking crew, I mean, if you haven't watched this documentary, you need to do it because it's amazing and it just shows you how crazy talented these people were. I mean, they would be doing one thing one day and one thing the night. They were all over the place, different styles of music, just and and just create, just creating and creating and creating and getting like no credit for it. I mean they obviously got paid and all that stuff, but their names weren't on. You know, their names weren't on as writers and they don't get residuals and things like that.
Speaker 2:But, but, yeah, for her to, for her to stay, you know, make a stand and say I'm not going to be in if I can't be in with my coworkers, I think, I think it's it's a great thing. I think it's, you know it's it's unfortunate that they can't make it work. They can't make it work and just put, and, you know, put them all in. Yeah, it wasn't just her, I mean. Granted, she did a lot on her own, but she also, you know, did things with with this group of people.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this too, before I go into this list of artists she's worked with as the Rocker Hall of Fame do you respect her wishes or do you still? I feel like they're going to still put her in because they're just going to put her in, to put her in because everybody made the announcement.
Speaker 2:They'll still put her in. Yeah, I think they should at least say something, I mean. But you know they tend to. They're the 800 pound gorilla, so they like to just do what they want to do. So here is good, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:No, you're good. Here are some artists that she has worked with the Righteous Brother Quincy Jones, Dean Martin, Ray Charles let's see Frank Sinatra, Nancy Sinatra, the Temptation, the Supremes, Marvin Gaye, Sonny and Sherrod, the Beach Boys, Sam Cooke what else did I see? Robert Palmer? I said Quincy Jones, Ike and Tina Turner, the. Let's see a lot of Ray Charles songs Simon and Garfunkel, Neil Young, the Monkees I mean the OJs, I mean the list goes on and on and on.
Speaker 2:I mean Glen Campbell, the Supremes, I mean she was doing stuff in the 60s and then she was on a Frank Black album in 2006. I mean, she's been doing stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fast man, ryder man yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's been doing stuff for, and yeah, sonny and Cher Ray Charles. She played bass on La Bamba. I mean, yeah, I mean she's just we're talking like the Supremes, the Monkees. She played the bass for you know the theme for Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1:I mean she has done ready for this theme for Mission Impossible. I mean she has done ready for this Kojak, wonder Woman, the Love Boat, mcleod, alice, the Brady Bunch, get Smart Hogan's Heroes Lost in Space. Mission Impossible, the original theme Hawaii Five-0, the Streets of San Francisco, the Bill Cosby Show, wild Wild West, the Addams Family Green.
Speaker 2:Acres.
Speaker 1:Sanford and Son Batman. Those are all songs that her writings of a bass guitar. As a female, let me put that there, because this is you're going back to the 60s back in the 60s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a female was writing the bass lines to some of the most legendary songs of legendary shows of all time and she was a badass then and I applaud her for being a badass now for something she believes in, stood up for and didn't back down for, and to me that she needs to be put into the badass rock and roll hall of fame I mean, these boots are made for walking, just that.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness. I mean these are things that you have Unchained Melody. I mean she's just tons of shit and yeah, Crazy, and yeah, she stands by her convictions and she's a badass Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I couldn't agree more with you All. Right, now, let's talk about what we're so. When we first did our show, talking about the who potentially could be in, we had talked about this Reddit thread that we had seen where Meg White was seen in Detroit. She would look like she had been working out and performing in some small little clubs where they were not allowing any phones or any social media. Ndas were being signed and nothing was confirmed because there was no video of it, which led us to hey, does this lead up to where the white stripes are for him? Maybe now to me. When I think of the white stripes, I think of my daughter, because she's a drummer.
Speaker 1:She's a drummer and she plays drums because of Meg white. When we went to third man record a few weeks ago in Nashville and I spent an arm and a leg on everything possibly under the sun.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have a new.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you can see the ukulele right there. That's a third man record.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know.
Speaker 1:It was a third man ukulele oh yeah, oh yeah, including with my new bass guitar I built at the gibson studio, which, oh yeah, it's a whole nother story anyway, nice, but to see her get excited about seeing some of the things on the wall and then hearing like it was the weekend Bonner was canceled and that place was packed yeah, people talking about the White Stripes and being excited about them, mm hmm. So here's the thing the White Stripes can go tour tomorrow and they can sell out every venue they play, because it's going to be a once in a lifetime opportunity. I don't think that's what's going to happen. I don't think so either. I think what will happen is this If the White Stripes perform which I would say I wonder what the betting odds are on that. There's got to be betting odds. I'm going to look that up. If they do perform, I bet you they'll do like we did in the past and they'll play a couple pop-up shows in very small places to a very limited number of people, just to get her comfortable and I feel like jack white is very protective of meg white oh, I think so too
Speaker 1:I you know, I think I the when I've met jack white twice, both times with both my kids, and he is a true. He's a person that cares and he goes out of his way for others and he really is like a genuine person. The way he tried to talk to my daughter. It was just very genuine and it was a cool moment. I don't think he's gonna. If he doesn't feel meg white is going to be protected on stage, I don't think they perform.
Speaker 1:I think I completely agree with you I think what they'll do is they'll, they'll accept the war together and he's gonna give all the praise to her and she's gonna talk and very you know um, but I, what do you think they perform?
Speaker 2:I think they perform. I think, yes, yes, and I just had a fleeting thought like maybe maybe she doesn't play drums, maybe she comes out and sings with him, maybe they do like in the cold, cold night or something where she sings with him, um, and then she doesn't have to do the drums. But I would love to see them do like a oh god, I can't even. I mean, I think you do, you do dead leaves in theaves on the Dirty Ground, something in between where they'll break off and do something in the middle and then go back and do it. And Seven Nation Army and something else, but I mean Seven Nation.
Speaker 2:I hope, I hope, I hope fingers crossed that for me will be and that, as far as I'm concerned, that closes the show. Oh, it has to, because the whole anticipation is that for me will be and that, as far as I'm concerned, that closes the show. Oh, it has to. Yeah, because the whole anticipation is, will they perform? I mean, first it's going to be, is she there? And then, when you see that she's there, then it's going to be, will she perform? And this will be like the closest of closely guarded secrets. I mean, this is not getting out onto the internet if Jack has anything to do with it.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Jack is a savvy marketer and knows that. But you're right, I don't think that he would. He's not going to exploit Meg, he's not going to exploit this, he doesn't need to do that kind of stuff. But for a moment I think that this is like and it's great that they don't have any animosity toward each other. So it's not going to be like talking heads, where they're on there performing and they want to all stab David Byrne, like he's, you know, like it's Julius Caesar or something like that. But Because I mean, I watched that performance and you're like man, they just can't stand him.
Speaker 1:They hate each other. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Well, it's the three of them against David Byrne. And David Byrne is like I'm just going to, you know, I can't think about like how much money they've been offered to reunite and that he just puts the kibosh on it every time, and I just can't like, how much money has it been? How much money have they given up? Has he? Has he like purposely not allowed his bandmates to potentially have I, I don't know, I think that that's it's even like led zeppelin.
Speaker 1:Zeppelin's had multiple opportunities to perform, but I, I, but what do you?
Speaker 2:I mean? Do you think it's but in? In contrast, do you think it's just one person that doesn't want to do it, or do you think I think Jimmy Page is just fine? I don't think Jimmy Page is like he needs to do it anymore. I don't think it's like just Robert Plant being like, eh, fuck it, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1:I think it is Robert Plant.
Speaker 1:I, it's like just Robert Plant being like, eh, fuck it, I don't want to do it. I think it is Robert Plant. I mean, if you listen to how, so you know, when he did his interview with Howard Stern, my opinion of Robert Plant went out the window because he was very cocky and the way that he talked like and Howard Stern, it was his dream to always interview him and then he finally got him in there and at the end of the thing he's like I just want to tell you how much I adore you and and and how much your music meant to me and stuff. And robert plant kind of got like shitty about it.
Speaker 1:Like he was like almost making a mockery of howard stern and like and how like what that music meant to him and he's and you know he had asked questions about potentially touring and stuff like why do I do that again? Like I don't need to do that again. Like he, it was very weird and I think it's robert plant. I think if Robert Plant called Jimmy Page tomorrow and said, hey, let's get John and let's get this going, I think they would do it. But I think it's Page, I think it's a plant that really fucked this for everything.
Speaker 2:That's too bad, I'm going to have to listen to that interview tomorrow though.
Speaker 1:It's a good interview and then the end it gets so like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:That's unfortunate. Well, thankfully, I don't think Jack does that. I think you're right. Jack looks out for Meg and um, and, yeah, he's not going to exploit her if she's not, if she's not up to performing, he's not going to make her do it or anything like that. But I do hope that she feels um, she feels comfortable and feels like that she, she wants to perform, because I think she should be, you know, you know, celebrated. I think everybody shits on meg that she's not a good drummer and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:No, she's rock solid and I would love to see her, uh, perform one more time so I am on the rock and roll hall of fame's like, wait, like their fan club where you can buy the tickets through. And I've had it since pearl jam went through and I kind of told my daughter I'm like, listen, I'll buy tickets and if we get wind that they'll perform, let's, we'll just go, cause, like this is cool. I you know, I saw white stripes perform and it was amazing and it was great.
Speaker 2:I've seen him three times and so I mean Jack after that, which is not anything to say that Jack's not good, because he's great and I love to watch him. But yeah, I was fortunate enough to see the White Stripes three times. They just have the chemistry between them is so great. And Meg is just so cool when she plays the drums. It seems like she keeps the beat and she's got it all going down. You know she's rock solid but it seems like it's so easy for her, like it's just so nonchalant. And there's something about that that she's in the fact that she had, you know, anxiety issues and she was still, you know, she was cool as hell she was, and if you were, and if you're a male between the age of 35 and 60, forget about it.
Speaker 1:You had the biggest crush on her when she was performing because she was like at that point, when she when I'll never forget when fell in love with a girl, came on, I was like who is this woman and how can I marry her? Because she was oh, she's a talented musician that could play drums, and then, like she was talented, and then she was, she was beautiful, she was beautiful and she just seemed so cool and sweet and just all the, all the things I agree you could see.
Speaker 2:You could see how she landed jack white um yes, even though she was his sister.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I love that. That's what I love about Jack White. He just fucks with everybody with storytelling and these ideas and oh yeah, you know it was we were talking. I was talking to our buddy, Brad, the other night Now.
Speaker 1:I was like well, it looks like we're just going to continue to follow Jack White because I guess our days at Pearl Jam are going to be gone for a bit, and I don't. I'm cool with that If we saw, like I said, three nights of Jack in a row in April and that was fucking amazing. Like I loved every minute of it. Jack white is an amazing musician. But I will tell you right now you get the white stripes on tour again next year. I will make sure I'm at a few shows because it's going to be. It's they are. They are such American treasure when it comes to music. Like they influenced a lot of bands and other band and there's bands out there that will say they're not like the Black Keys. Oh, we're not influenced by the White Stripes, but legitimately they are a page out of the book of what the White Stripes were.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, just not nearly as good.
Speaker 1:Now, with that being being said, let's talk about I have a list, real quick, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I just want to do, I want, I'm gonna do. Thumbs up, thumbs down.
Speaker 1:These are bands that I'm a little upset that are not in the rock and roll hall of fame. And it's not the fact that I like them, because some of these bands I don't like, but these are bands I looked at on the list and I'm like they should be in. So these are my thumbs up that should be in the Rock and Roll of Fame. I want thumbs up, thumbs down, and if you feel strongly about one there's a little bit of them, you know there's a lot of them Then I'll you be like, hey, I have an opinion about this, but I think let's get through this real quick. Joy Division New Order should be in Thumbs up yes, mariah Carey. Thumbs up Smashin' Pumpkins. Thumbs down Diana Ross. Thumbs up Phil Collins.
Speaker 2:As a solo artist or with Genesis. Is Genesis in? I don't know if Genesis is in Phil Collins, I'm going to say thumbs down, coldplay, oh, it's super. Thumbs down. Oh god, I disagree Anyway, the.
Speaker 1:Smiths say thumbs down, sorry. Oh okay, cold play. Oh, it's super thumbs down. Oh it's, oh god, it's a disagree. Anyway, the smiths thumbs up alanis morissette thumbs up iron maiden thumbs down now, is that a personal thing, or is it a musical thing? I just don't like iron Maiden. Okay, okay, good Motley Crue.
Speaker 2:Oh, super thumbs down Like four.
Speaker 1:Thumbs down Four thumbs down New York Dolls, oh, thumbs up.
Speaker 2:Billy. Idol thumbs up pixies.
Speaker 1:Thumbs up pointer sisters thumbs up, the monkeys thumbs down sting.
Speaker 2:I hate sting. Thumbs down. I like the police, but I hate sting sting was stung sunny and. Cher thumbs down Cher's in okay, devo thumbs up, big, big thumbs up from Ohio. John Prine Uh thumbs down Shares in Okay, devo Thumbs up, big, big thumbs up from Ohio.
Speaker 1:John.
Speaker 2:Prine. I'm not familiar very much with John Prine, but I'm going to go thumbs up because he's dead Of his influence yeah.
Speaker 1:Huey.
Speaker 2:Lewis Huey.
Speaker 1:Lewis in the news.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, my wife's first concert Thumbs down.
Speaker 1:Come on.
Speaker 2:Think about back to the future anyway, thumbs up in excess thumbs up you haven't seen the michael hutchins documentary you should watch so good yes ario speedwagon thumbs down sonic youth thumbs up o Thumbs up. Jane's Addiction Thumbs up, but not. Perry. Get rid of Everybody, but Perry, he's an ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, alice in Chains, thumbs up Black Flag.
Speaker 2:Thumbs up Garbage.
Speaker 1:Thumbs up and, last but not least, stone Temple Pilots Thumbs up.
Speaker 2:So last but not least, Stone Temple Pilots Thumbs up.
Speaker 1:So that's over the list. There was a list of like 400 bands that someone posted bands that hadn't made it into Rock and Roll fame that are eligible and I went through. Those are the ones that I think go in and there's a lot to them. There's some bands I don't like, like I'm not an Iron Maiden fan but I know they've influenced a lot of bands that are real successful, like ghost and uh sleeper token or whatever these other bands are yeah, so I was sleep token is playing up in cleveland.
Speaker 2:It's a big old arena and I was like damn yeah, and so like they're playing like basketball stadiums, I was like good for them yeah, like ghosts, like they're playing in kansas city and someone's like you haven't heard a ghost, like you listen to them, like I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1:I'm like there's people, you know.
Speaker 2:I they were at a I was at. I went to Sonic Temple and sold posters one year and they were playing and man people freaking love them.
Speaker 1:I don't get it. I tried listening to them. It's not for me.
Speaker 2:It's okay, yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's lots of different types of music and I don't have to like them all, but yeah, man, they had some rabid fans, so it's interesting. So the Rock and Roll of Fame is going to be on November 8th this year. It is going to be streamed live on Disney+, which is exciting in its own sense. I do think this is a special year. I think next year is going to be a little wonky.
Speaker 2:I think that I don't know, I don't know who's up for eligibility in 2026, but we're getting into that. We're getting into one of those kind of areas where it's like, you know, like most of the, I'd say, most of the big, like 90s acts, I mean, because that's where we generally, you know, land on. You know music that we listen to was mainly from the 90s and the early aughts. So I think that we're kind of hitting that area where the big ones have gotten in and we're kind of getting in an area where it's a little squishy, I would say. So we don't really know, you know, is it going to? Are there going to be some people like that? Are, you know, deserving? You know, does joy division finally get in you?
Speaker 2:know, oasis and fish and people like that, but uh yeah, so it's a little. It's a little. It's one of those soft periods which I mean like I think bad company is probably like the last of, like the 70s bands, um to get in like I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2:I can't really think of any other 70s band that would you know. That isn't already in. That, would you know? Need to go in after. Who was the one last year? It was what was it? Uh, I don't know, his bad company this year, but another one. There was another one from last year where we were like art, seriously like the all have the same. Well, they do, and they didn't even perform. They have a band. Was it Foreigner? Yeah, oh, it was Foreigner. They have a band that tours as Foreigner. That has none of the original. It's just a bunch of young guys doing.
Speaker 1:Foreigner songs. It's a cover band. It's kind of like what Kiss is going to be in a few years. So here are the eligible 2026 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame artists that are eligible for first time. So let's do thumbs up, thumbs down again, shall we okay?
Speaker 2:alright, alicia Keys is there a middle ground? No down, no, she's, it's too soon if Mariah Carey is not in Alicia Keys does not belong in excellent point the Strokes they created something in New York that it's too soon.
Speaker 1:Okay, If Mariah Carey is not in, Alicia Keys does not belong in. Excellent point the Strokes. They created something in New York that easily has catapulted so many bands into success. If you haven't seen the documentary.
Speaker 2:Meet Me in the Bathroom, yeah watch that one, because that's great too. Yes, but yes, the Strokes thumbs up David Gutierrez G-U. Yes, the Strokes Thumbs up David Gutierrez. Oh, david Guetta, no, he's a DJ. Thumbs down All DJs.
Speaker 1:Gorillax, whatever Gorillas, I love Gorillas, I love Gorillas too, but I don't think they're a first-time eligible Interpol. I think they get in, but not a first-time. There'll be years before they get in. But there, if you can't, if you don't have a joy division and how you can have Interpol in which I'd have Interpol.
Speaker 2:You're right. No, you're absolutely right Lincoln park.
Speaker 1:This is one of the let me give you my opinion about this though. Okay, I don't want Lincoln park in the some of the songs I work out to it Because of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thinking it's smart for them to do to sell tickets, or cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope not. And no disrespect to Justin Bennington, but yeah, linkin Park. I did like that first song, but after that it's kind of all the same.
Speaker 1:Because in the end it doesn't really matter. Doesn't really matter. See what I did there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I did. Then there's an artist j-u-a-n-e-s. Juanes juanes. Yeah, he's a. He's a latin artist. Sorry, I don't know anything about latin music, although we, although we spoke very highly of mana, who did not get in, didn't get people, people gave us a lot of props they gave us a lot and then we got shit on by a lot of people.
Speaker 1:No, because we didn't know who they were. Like, do you? We don't know everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, and I said, hey, good for them. They were great, you know yeah, um, who else?
Speaker 1:and then Anthony and the Johnsons.
Speaker 2:I don't even know who that is. Are you sure that's not a band that you, that's not a band you play out in? You don't know Anthony and the.
Speaker 1:Johnsons. No, that's Anthony and the Charlottes. That's how.
Speaker 2:I perform in the basement, and then there's an artist.
Speaker 1:I'm curious who Anthony and the Johnson's is. We're going to search it on Spotify after this list. Then there's Disturb. Which Disturb no.
Speaker 2:No, move the fuck on. So Dave Draymond was at the Black Sabbath thing and got booed. I did see he got booed, I did see he got booed all the way to hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's see anthony and the johnsons. Um, I don't know who this is, but they got a lot of listeners. They get about 369 000 listens. Their song, fistful of love, has 29 million. Let's, let's just give a listen.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, what does that sound like.
Speaker 1:I was lying in my bed last night staring Thumbs down. Yeah, this sounds just like that's like bad. Leonard Cohen oh no, I was thinking of what's his name. Oh my God, he died about 10 years ago. Oh, he sang the song Heroin.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Did he do?
Speaker 2:People who Die no Jim.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, it's driving me nuts oh.
Speaker 2:Who was in Velvet Underground? Yeah, we're getting there.
Speaker 1:I see his face. Lou Reed, thank you, that was very much a, lou Reed. I'm good, anthony and the Johnsons can stay at home. And then Les. And then, just sorry, we talked about that, yeah, we're good, so yeah. And then there's the other betting favorite odds for next year, based off of this website that should be nominated or be up for nomination for some sort of award, is Lenny Kravitz, coldplay, oasis, beck, alice in Chains, jane's Addiction, snoop Dogg, dr Dre, wu-tang Clan, stix, iron Maiden, phil Collins, diana Ross, johnny, guitar Watson, inxs, the B-52, smashing Pumpkins, sade, new York Dolls and BB King.
Speaker 2:So those are the betting odds. What was the who? Did you just say Like sticks? I mean, are we like no sticks, mr Roboto? None of that, no, uh-uh.
Speaker 1:No sticks. Are you saying you want them to sail away? I do.
Speaker 2:Don't sail away Only if it's the Cartman version of Come Sailor.
Speaker 1:I saw Sticks live. They were good, were they.
Speaker 2:No, but was it the rest? Because Dennis D Young doesn't get along with the rest of Sticks.
Speaker 1:This is going back to 1996. I saw them at Jones Beach on Long Island with my father and his girlfriend at the time. He won tickets from WBAB, which was some radio station in Long Island. Anybody open for them? Or was it just sticks by themselves? No, it was. Kansas had opened up for sticks. Oh, really, yes, I remember it because Kansas' lead singer was playing piano and did a handstand. It was playing it upside down. I was like this is amazing. Yeah, it was actually a clever show.
Speaker 2:What's that Kansas song that they do? What's that? Carry on my wayward son. If you haven't heard the GWAR cover of that, you need to go listen to it. Yeah, the GWAR cover of Carry on my wayward son. It's really good, Isn't GWAR cover of that? You?
Speaker 1:need to go listen to it. Yeah, the GWAR cover of Carry On my Wayward Son. It's really good, isn't GWAR up for a nomination? I mean, come on.
Speaker 2:They're touring again. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think GWAR gets in. No, no, no, no, not at all, although I would love to see their performance if they got in. It reminds me of Empire Records, which is his favorite movie.
Speaker 1:If you love the band. So much.
Speaker 2:Join us. Why don't you join us Now? You have to die. What?
Speaker 1:Oh God, you know you're on a good trip if that shit happens.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:So let's end the show on a high note. What have you been listening to recently?
Speaker 2:Oh, sadly it's just a lot of old 90s stuff. Yeah, I don't listen to a lot of new-ish music, so I do feel a little bit bad. How about you? What have you been listening to?
Speaker 1:So I'm going to tell you something I am addicted Like I never even and I was talking to Trey about this on the show. I didn't know anything about idols at all.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, never heard of them.
Speaker 1:And then I was told I was like trying to get pumped up and stuff, and this song came on. It's called Gift Horse and there is literally a line in this song that I'll play you in a minute too, that I swear to God this wants, I want to run through, I want to fight somebody Every time I hear the fucking lyrics. This song is probably to me just a fun song, but there's a line. Let me see if I can get to it real quick, Because they're pretty. Oh, the bass line of this song is fucking amazing and the fact is it's about a horse. But I'll pull it up. I'll get the lyrics going a minute. But like this has been.
Speaker 1:And then this got me down a rabbit hole because I'm a big viagra boys fan. So like this was on the playlist for viagra boys and then I started getting into idols and then I started finding out about these other bands and I'm starting. The older I get, the more. I guess maybe just ruthless aggression, maybe I'm going through my Ruthless Aggression era, I don't fucking know. But there is like I just love music that makes you feel something. And then it's also like driven by something like that I don't know what. Like lyrically means something. I feel like this band is saying something that's I don't know. It's like there's not a lot of punk bands nowadays. Yeah, Let me see if.
Speaker 2:I can find the lyrics All right get ready.
Speaker 1:Anthony's about to get ready to fight you, ready for this? All right, I'm telling you. I heard that was. This was a song I heard when I was like finishing my last mile of my 50 mile bike race and I was like in a thunderstorm and I'm telling you, I've never been so fucking hyped, Like I mean, if I've never had cocaine before, but I I expect this song is exactly what it feels like to be on cocaine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that. It sounds really good.
Speaker 1:So have you never heard of that song before.
Speaker 2:No, I haven't. I've heard of Idols, but I haven't heard that song.
Speaker 1:So now I'm going to give you one more song. There is a female artist out there. We've talked about her. It's Wolf Alice.
Speaker 1:She has a new song off her upcoming album and it's called Bloom, baby Bloom, and in this song they had a professional audiographer I think it is someone who can go through and she hit more vocal ranges in this song than, I guess, most female singers, because right now she's very high. Yeah, guess, most female singers, because, like, right now she's very, like, high, yeah, but this song is to me like I'm I don't know I this is, they're amazing live. She's a fantastic singer and so underrated and like I, I don't know how this is not like one of the songs of the summer. This is so catchy. And have you heard this song yet?
Speaker 2:no, I haven't, but I I actually a friend of mine is going to see wolf alice in columbus, I think, in september or october. I recommend a big fan. But uh, has there even been a song in the summer? Determined yet, did you hear?
Speaker 1:I didn't get the memo, so let me, let me search it, hold on, let me see, let me see if I can find it. But what? Listen to this oh that's good. Watch me and you'll see just what I'm worth. Her vocal range is out of this fucking world, and the thing that is crazy about it is, when I saw her live, I was very skeptical of was she going to be able to carry what?
Speaker 2:she did on the album and when I saw her live.
Speaker 1:I was fucking me and my daughter were blown away. So, as of right now, the current leading race for song of the summer is alex warren's ordinary I don't even know what that is, I don't know I. And then followed up by man child by sabrina carpenter and okay, I know that one and then party for you by charlie xcx.
Speaker 2:Oh I don't know that one. Sorry, charlie, I don't know, I don't get the. And here's, here's a. This is the old man. Oh, I don't know that one. Sorry, charlie, I don't get the. And here's a. This is the old man in me. I don't get the Charlie XCX. I watched some of like I love when they stream Coachella. I'm such an old man I love when they stream Coachella and I can watch it from my couch. I'm the same way. But I did watch some of the charlie xdx and I was like I don't, it's just her on the stage and there's no like band, or I didn't get it, I don't. I don't think she's that talented, I just the only it was not for me.
Speaker 1:The only person that I watched that. Now my daughter's a big oliver rodrigo fan. I've seen her live.
Speaker 2:I know a lot of people are shedding her but over the last couple weeks fun, she's fun, and she, every festival she's playing.
Speaker 1:She brought out uh, she brought out robert smith. Right, robert smith for the cure robert smith.
Speaker 1:David burn, david burn, yeah, she keeps doing it and she talks about how the influence she's been seen at jack white shows in la. She was at third band records recording. Very cool, yeah, very cool. So I'm I'm on the lou rodrigo fan, the fan club thing, I could see that, but yeah, I don't know. There's some good music. I just you know it's kind of hard. So, yeah, but first of all I just want to put this out there for everyone listening. If you've listened for the hour and 26 minutes we've been talking, thank you so much. Um, I will say this and I mean it and I've said this to brian just off the before the, before the show even started.
Speaker 1:There is a lot of posters coming out that brian's done here. Recently with jack white he did 311 and he has some for sale, um, and he's just hitting home run after home run and definitely give brian um some love online. I will say this for everyone out there listening even if you don't buy his art, which you should, I, everyone should have a Brian poster. Brian Matty poster. Excuse me, brian poster, brian Matty poster. I'm fucking struggling over here. You're okay. You should have one of his posters in your home. It should be above your mantle. Pull your TV down and put it there, but support him. But if you can't share his work, get it out there, because he deserves to be doing a lot more of this and I'm so excited for everything you're doing and I know you have a big summer ahead of you and you deserve everything, so anything else.
Speaker 2:No, thank you, thank you for listening and thank you for for enjoying this conversation with me. Anthony is, as always. It's uh, it was very good and very interesting, and we will try and come up with something very controversial for our next show and hopefully we'll tickle your fancy.
Speaker 1:That is right, and we have a lot of things coming up. July is a good month. Jurassic Park just came out last week. Good movies Superman comes out this week, fantastic Four next month.
Speaker 2:A lot of good movies on the horizon A lot of good music.
Speaker 1:This looks to be a good summer, so, with that being said, we're gonna go take it back to the sprints. Oh out of uh. Where are they from? They from london, is that what I said? Dublin, dublin dublin so give them a listen, give them a like, go find brian online. Give him a like, buy his posters, help him feed and uh support his kids because that is important Brian. It was good talking to you, brother, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2:You too, Anthony. I'm Anthony.
Speaker 1:Krizowitz, you can find me on Anthony Live Now and all your social media platforms. If I'm Brian, what's your social media handle?
Speaker 2:BMETHEcom, or just B-M-E-T-H-E.
Speaker 1:All righty Until next time. Thank you for listening to another Unnecessary List. Let's click heavy.
Speaker 2:I'm getting a Sonic Reviews survive from the beginning of that song Dead boys, dead boys. I