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Let's Talk Vine(YL)- Green Disease: Greed, Politics, and Pearl Jam's Relevance Today
What happens when music becomes more than entertainment—when it transforms into an emotional sanctuary during our darkest moments? This episode explores the profound connection between music and our ability to process life's greatest challenges, particularly as we confront mortality and loss.
Anthony opens with a raw confession about turning 40 and experiencing the deaths of friends, including one who passed from ALS at just 44 and another who took their own life at 41. These events sparked a deeply personal question: What songs serve as our comfort blankets when life gets heavy? For Anthony, it's Pink Floyds- "Wish you where here"—not for its lyrics, but for the way it builds and progresses, offering emotional release when he needs it most.
Trey shares how Pearl Jam's "Off He Goes" has become his conduit for grief, initially connected to memories of his friend Eric, then later helping him process the loss of his friend Jeffrey to brain cancer. This conversation reveals how certain songs accumulate emotional resonance over time, becoming repositories for our deepest feelings and memories.
The discussion weaves through analysis of Pearl Jam classics like "Once"—described as the definitive foundation of the band—and "Green Disease," a politically charged track whose critique of greed feels even more relevant today than when it was released. We examine how different drummers throughout Pearl Jam's history have reimagined these songs, breathing new life into familiar compositions.
Between wine tasting notes and vinyl recommendations (including passionate debates about The Bravery versus Built to Spill), we explore how music serves as a timeline for our lives. Anthony recounts the overwhelming emotion of hearing My Morning Jacket's "Time Waited" with his daughter after years of struggling to conceive—a perfect example of how music marks our most significant life moments.
This episode celebrates the beautiful vulnerability that comes from sharing honest reactions to music without judgment. As Anthony says, "If it doesn't make you feel something, then why are you doing it?" Join us for a heartfelt conversation about how music helps us remain human in the face of life's greatest uncertainties.
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You know I want you down, baby, I won't let you down, baby. You know, baby, I'll always be around, baby, I carry you in my heart this way, this way, this way. You know we'll never be apart. So when you're feeling low, don't let go. This song just makes me smile. Paul Scalata I'm pretty sure I'm butchering his last name from Paul and the Tall Tree. He's been on the show before. He's done stuff with Touring Fan Live just put out a new single under his birth name called Let Me Be, and I just love his voice. I just feel like he belongs and was written to be in a Quentin Tarantino film. Like this guy, his music deserves a Tarantino part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was very Memphis blues, sort of late 60s Otis Redding, sam and Dave kind of feel there I like it he's, I mean his vocals, his range, what he's able to do.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's just, he's so talented and he just and his dad he's in the Shalada I'm going to butcher it, it's the Shaladas and he does a bunch of stuff with his dad and his family's super talented and it's just, it's amazing. So definitely check him out. I'll have some links in some descriptions on how to listen to it. But his new single just came out two weeks ago, with a whole album coming out in September. So give it a listen. Give it a listen.
Speaker 2:I like what I heard right there. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Ah, good stuff. Well, you know we're back. We are here Touring Fan Live and let's talk vinyl. Trey Bush all the way from. You know the West Coast, there you go, and enough. I mean I can't say this enough. I don't know what Holly did with the lighting in that facility, but you are a glowing just beam of energy right now. You're looking good. I mean got to give it right now. I look you're looking good. I mean got to give it to Holly.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. You know, holly came over and touched me up, puts a makeup on me and all that stuff, so it looks like I've got a little. You can see the shades of clothes. It's like it's the time of the year right now, six o'clock at night, I think, sunset to, like, you know, close to eight by the time midsummer hits it's, you know, sunsets at 10 o'clock. So, yeah, um, it's, it's for sure our favorite time of the year. Uh, gardening season. We've got the majority of our gardens planted out. We've got a few more plants to kind of fill out, but, um, we're gonna have another 20-25 different tomato plants and a bunch of peppers and squash and watermelon and all the good stuff. We got all the herbs and all the good herbs you know I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you're talking about. So you know, isn't it kind of funny? Because I think if 20 year old trey, who was talking to the tray of now, hey, what do you do? For fun, I like to plant and. I like the garden and 20 year old Trey was like what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 2:No way, man. You know it's funny. I, I grew up with my mom, we were in the. You know, my 18 years, my first 18 years, I lived in apartments pretty much my entire life and no matter where I lived, no matter what my apartment complex was like, my mom always was still growing, uh, tomatoes and flowers, and she always she loved to garden, and so I think that's where some of that comes from, and holly loves to garden too. So, and because we love to be together, we like to garden together so well you know the we like to garden together.
Speaker 1:Well, you know the old saying those who garden together stay together. That's a T-shirt.
Speaker 2:Look at that. I see a new T-shirt in the making.
Speaker 1:I see one myself. Well, tonight we are going back to some of the formats. We've been bouncing around for the last few months talking about different things, but tonight we're going back to original format. We're going to be talking about Pearl Jam song once and then trying to finalize 10. And here's the thing, trey and you can kind of fill in on this which I'm excited about Livefootstepsorg, which is a website we've been using for a while. They actually have our rating system of how we rate songs on there, from all the Pearl Jam songs, from all previous episodes to all the ones in the future episodes to all the ones in the future, and it has all of them on there. So if we've done a show, we've talked about that song, the ratings on there. So, as we continue to do the shows, we're going to continue to do pearl jam, so, uh, songs, the ratings from that are going to go there. So that's where we kind of bring this all together.
Speaker 1:So tonight we'll be talking about those two songs, talking about some wine, we're going to talk about some music that you should be listening to, and then I have a. I have. Then I have a question for you. We're going to bring up later about something that it hit me these last couple of days. You know, once again, getting older, I start thinking about things in more depth and I was like you know what? I'm going to ask this question to Trey, so later I'm going to ask you a question and see something, but we'll get to that later.
Speaker 2:Are you asking that? Because you're sitting here looking at me and you're like you know, I just think about getting older. Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 1:no listen jesus anthony, I'm sitting right here, across from you no, so like I turned 40 last week, right, but but then like oh, and the same 40 in the same week I had a friend of mine who passed away from als at 44 um, who left behind, uh, three daughters.
Speaker 1:And then I just today found out a kid I went to school with ended up taking his life, 41 years old. And then all these things, and the older you get, you get surrounded more around. You know unfortunate death and questions, and you start questioning things, decisions you made and what you want to do in the future. And then you know I'm trying to find the positive side of things and you know I am. So I, whatever it is where it is. But there's a question and it involves music and things. You know what Fuck it? I'll ask it now. We'll just start the show for this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we, as we progress in life, I think we all have comfort, whether it's a blanket, whether it's a tool, something that makes us feel good or could bring us back to a feeling. Yeah, and I think music for all of us if you're listening to this, I mean it means something to you and whether it's a band, a song or an album or something. And you know I was thinking to myself the other day, turning 40, you know, seeing people pass. My grandfather passed like 47. So, like that, getting close to 47 is. You know that's a scary number to me. No-transcript has been a comfort blanket for me for a long portion of my life, like I don't, you know. I know the song doesn't resonate with the idea of why it's a comfort song for me, but there's something about that, the way it builds and digresses and progresses throughout the song, and it just it's been a comfort song for me. So what my question to you was do you have a song that, like you have, that comforts you?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't have a song that necessarily comforts me. I have songs that make me think of loss. You know, off he Goes for me is just a super powerful emotional song that reminds me of my friend Eric, but then I've since then been able to use that. I think about that song, not just with eric anymore, I think about with my friend jeffrey, who I lost a couple of years ago to brain cancer, and so, yeah, that I mean I absolutely understand what you're saying about finding comfort in music.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't necessarily go to a particular song before that. I think that for me it's more like songs will evoke. You know, you remember when we were talking about my Morning Jacket the other day and there's a new song on there that really hits home for you. You know, it almost makes you want to cry. Music does that for me in general. You know lots of different songs. Music does that for me in general. You know lots of different songs can do that for me. So, um, yeah, I can't say I go back to any particular song, but I can certainly tell you that when certain songs play, they will um, elicit emotion, um, at different times and, you know, for different reasons.
Speaker 1:For for sure, yeah, I agree with you, and I'm glad that we can have that conversation too about things, because I think the one thing that I hate, that I really despise, is that people can't find ways to get in tune with their emotions and be open about it.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's one thing that I mean we're going on five years this summer of doing the show and I mean I feel like the one thing that like that you and me have been always honest about is like how we truly feel about things, whether we agree or disagree with things.
Speaker 1:It's like we can be open about it and I've never judged you and I don't think you've ever judged me, and that's why we have the relationship we have. And I think you know like I can tell you the stories of, like you were just talking about the my morning jacket song, you know, uh, time waited, which to me, is, you know, talking about that song. Um, and I just did an episode recently about that show and like having charlotte with me hearing that song, thinking about like that build-up of me, me and heather struggling to have a child, and then like almost giving up and then it just happened, and then having her there and and having it being played right in front of us and experience that for the first time there, right, it took fucking everything out of me just hold it all together, that show, because that's the cool thing about art in general whether it's music, whether it's posters, whether it's movies, they're supposed to invoke feelings.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to make you feel a certain way. That I mean. If it doesn't, then why are you doing it? If you, you're just listening to listening exactly what's the point so?
Speaker 2:um, yeah, most of the time, I would tell you that it's, you know, uh, you know, joy is what you feel with music. Most of the time it makes you feel happy, upbeat, whatever. Sometimes it makes you feel angry. Sometimes it makes you feel angry, you know, sometimes, like I'm thinking about our first song tonight, which we'll get into it once, and I'm like I you know when. First of all, it's baffling that in five years we haven't done that song yet, the very first Pearl Jam song on the very first Pearl Jam album. And how have we missed talking about this?
Speaker 2:But, um, you know that's an angry song and you know, well, gosh, why did that resonate with me? As a 21 year old, when I heard that for the first time, or 20 or however old I was, um, well, it tapped into something you know, uh, and I'm guessing most teenagers probably have some angst in them, and so that's why that music, you know, resonates with you in certain ways. You're like, oh, yeah, I can feel that anger. Maybe you're not going to go out and like beat somebody up because you hear that song. Yeah, but it gives you the outlet, you know, to use that song in some way, shape or form without having to go beat somebody up, you know I agree, so yeah yeah, well, well now that's a good question.
Speaker 2:I like it. I appreciate it's a prescient question for sure.
Speaker 1:So well, I mean, I feel like everything supposed to make you feel a certain way and it's just like I said. I feel like last like I I turned 40 and I was driving in my jeep to go, uh, go get coffee and I was just it like I got morbid, like I was sitting in my Jeep to go get coffee and I was just it, like I got morbid, like I was sitting in the car. I was like man, double my age, I'll be 80. Am I going to live to 80?
Speaker 1:Like you know, what's next Like oh, I was really. I got to a really dark place. And, like I, just I remember like my grandfather came in. I'm like, all right, wonder if, like, am I unique in the sense that, like, I have this song that I'm able to do this with, or is this something that a lot of people have? And I know that we do a lot of similar things when it?
Speaker 2:comes to music. So I figured I'd ask yeah, yeah, well, you know, first of all, well, we should do a whole different topic. We'll do a whole different show on mushrooms at some point too.
Speaker 1:But uh, talk about tapping into emotions and how, how music makes you feel.
Speaker 1:But um anyway, another topic, another show. Oh, yeah, yeah, I did um. Just to give you a funny quick story, I did, uh, an edible like two weekends ago. It's called black hole sun here in k City. It's a new brand but it's spelled S-O-N instead of S-U-N and it's as small as a thing and it says, oh, cut it up Like it's. Only, these little pieces are 10 milligram, like all right, I'm a big guy, I can handle half of this thing. So I took fucking half of it. I was in my basement staring at this wall for three hours like just five milligrams, anthony come on no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:It was 50 milligrams. It was, there was 20 pieces. I, I. It was so tiny, I wasn't expecting that much. No, 50 fucking milligrams. I was gonzo so you had.
Speaker 2:You had a hundred milligram gummy in front of you and you ate half of it yeah, well it looks.
Speaker 1:Listen, most of the gummies you had are like a gusher size.
Speaker 2:This whole thing was I mean maybe Well yeah, but that's why you have to read the packaging. Man, I don't believe in reading. I can tell you between yes, boy, the difference between a 10 milligram and a 100 milligram. I have a Nick Cave experience that's much like that, where I woke up the next morning after seeing Nick Cave and the bad seeds of the Paramount and it was the same thing I had. I knew what I was taking. That's the difference. Also, for all of you first timers out there with edibles, if you're about an hour into it and you don't think you feel anything, do not double up don't, don't go.
Speaker 2:God, these things must not be very strong. I'm gonna eat the rest of this thing. That was the mistake that my friend ronnie and I made, and so, anyway, I woke up the next morning and, uh, I walked to the kitchen or the bathroom sink and I was at the same hotel, near the Paramount. I looked into the mirror and my eyes were as bloodshot as they've ever been in my entire life, just bright red, and I'm like I don't think I can drive home. Still, this is like a good 12 hours after I had eaten these things. So, anyway, yes, I feel your pain, or your pain, I mean, you know you gotta go with it.
Speaker 1:I went with it and I knew, like you know when, like you can, like you're, you're in your head and you're like all right, you know what's going on. But like you can't, like you're still like not in control, Like I just I was staring at this one. I have a Jack White poster from Kansas City from a few years ago where it's kind of like a spooky image, and I think I was talking to it for about 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:Like it was, it was it was, but I had the best sleep of my life.
Speaker 1:It was the best sleep of my life, so so good. So let's talk about the wine you're drinking.
Speaker 2:Well, are you still on a? Are you on a fast buddy?
Speaker 1:You're still not drinking, which is fine. Yes, no judging. You know that this will be the last episode that I will not drink wine. I have another half. I'm doing three half more half marathons this month. Um, hopefully it should push me to a qualifier. Um, and then I am also training for my first gravel bike race, which will be coming up. So, um, yeah, so I'm, I'm, I'm pushing myself further and further.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, no, right now I'm I'm trying my best not to put any sugar in my body. Uh, so I'm going to have very heavy fast this week, so I haven't had sugar in three days, um, and I don't plan on taking any. I won't intake any sugar until next Friday, the night before my race.
Speaker 2:You'll eat a bunch of sugar the night before your race like a bunch of Snickers bars and stuff.
Speaker 1:No, no. What I'll probably do is I'll probably have some carbs that have some sugar in it, so I'll probably do like a pasta-based. I like before a run. I like to do like a ravioli, like a really good like.
Speaker 2:This sounds exactly like the Office episode where Michael was running to cure rabies and he was carb loading as he was eating, just pounding the pasta. So that's all I can picture now, Anthony, is you're on the starting line with a big, huge thing of pasta, just pounding it down.
Speaker 1:Oh God, I haven't my wife's the only person who knows the story. So last Saturday I ran my, my, my, my series of three. So I did three half marathons in a short period of time, like three weeks, and it was for this called the Heartland series, and if I qualified my times there then I would be able to qualify for some other races, cause my goal right now is to get into the Boston half a marathon at the end of the year. Um, so the night before my wife and my wife's amazingly that she cooks me a big dinner and she's like hey, I made some fresh meat sauce, it's going gonna be good. So I'm, I'm, I'm like ravioli's meat sauce is perfect.
Speaker 1:I've ran, I can't tell you, between 10ks half marathons I'm probably my like 50s, like I've run a 10 half marathons and a ton of 10ks and 5ks old stuff. I have a, you know, never, never had any issues running like maybe you know, you tow her to anything. I had to stop and shit three times during this race, like legitimately had to stop three times. I have never had to do it in my life. But the here's the crazy thing, though, trey, like I had to run faster because I knew my time so I had to run faster to get to the restroom. So like when I finished the race, it was one of my better races.
Speaker 2:Motivation, motivation. So it's like, dude, it's like, it's like you know what I think you should take. Like next time you take a laxative right before the race and we'll see how fast you run have them, have them space, the have them space.
Speaker 1:The bathroom just a little further no, I I'm like is this what 40 is gonna bring me? Like I can't even fucking run without having a bowel movement it was terrible.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so no, that's terrible so yeah, so this will be the my last. I don't do a bottle of wine. Brad actually brought me a ton of wine when he came out here for Jack White, so I have some really good ones lined up for the next few months. I hope they're all Washington state wines, brad. Some are and some are not. Some are from Canada, which makes sense, and some I think, this is from California. You don't say yeah, take off.
Speaker 2:Hey, you older Take off. Hey, we're going to jump into this real quick. We are drinking the. I can't read that at all, it's too bright.
Speaker 1:Go closer to the screen. Go closer to the. Keep going, go down Look.
Speaker 2:There you go, there we go. This is made by a good friend of mine named James Mantone. In the Columbia Gorge AVA, hood River, on the Washington side of the border Winery is called Sincline, a geological term. You have a Sincline and an Anticline. James is a great winemaker. He started his career in the late 2000s, maybe the early 2010s. His early vintages, most of his fruit was coming from the Columbia Valley, but when he had a stat, when he bought his property, almost everything I believe now comes out of the Columbia Gorge AVA, which is a very exciting place to grow grapes.
Speaker 2:It's on the border of where you can actually like. You go 10 miles, 15 miles to the west, towards Portland. It's too wet, portland it's too wet, you know. You're in that zone where the rain, rain shadow starts to end and it gets a little bit drier, but it's still quite cool in comparison to like where we are. So you're growing some of the same varietals but a lot of white grapes over there.
Speaker 2:This is, uh, actually from the horse seven hills, so this is a little further to the east. It's a carignan and grenache. So these are roan varietals. Grenache, most people know syrah, people know from the roan valley, but carignan is one of the lesser known grapes from the roan valley. We have a little bit of it planted in washington and James does a great job with this. I don't think this is 2016, so it's nine years old now. I don't detect any new oak on this. My guess and I think I know James' winemaking style he's not a new oak guy at all, so he's just sort of.
Speaker 2:I think we have similar philosophies. We're just utilizing different sites, so our wines are different because of where we're making the wine, but I think the way that we make wine is probably pretty similar. So anybody who's ever out in the Hood River Oregon area on the Washington side of the border is a little town called White Salmon and James's winery is about 5, five, ten miles just to the east of downtown white salmon um, again, killer winemaker, one of the most beautiful spots on earth. If I could pick up our winery and move it anywhere, I would move it to the gorge. I just oh, my god, I love that, and I'm not talking about the gorge where Pearl Jam plays.
Speaker 2:This is where the Columbia River heads to Portland, and so when you're at Hood River, oregon, you're 60 miles from Portland, oregon, so 60 miles to the east of Portland is where Hood River is and that's where this area is. So if you find yourself in Portland and you want to go taste some great wines, reach out to me and I'll put you in touch with James. But anyway, lovely wine, grenache and Carignan. Not necessarily known for super dark color. They're quite aromatic, quite floral.
Speaker 1:At nine years old, this wine is still rocking good well, I will be in portland the first week of august. Uh, for nine channels in my morning jacket.
Speaker 2:So if you're gonna be, where are you gonna be on august 2nd?
Speaker 1:that's a great question. Let me check my calendar. Am I gonna be there august 2nd?
Speaker 2:that's a saturday and that is the thing. Festival in seattle and I have to, that is father john misty and Deep Sea Diver and Yola Tango and a bunch of killer bands, and I can get you tickets for that.
Speaker 1:Let me. I'll have to find out because I know Nine Inch Nails. I'm checking right now because I'm flying in the day before Nine Inch Nails, but I haven't really booked anything officially yet because we're moving things around a little bit, because our friend Brad, who's from canada right now, we're kind of we're going to go see nine inch nails in canada as well, but we're holding off on that. Um portland, no, I'll be august. I think that's august 7th.
Speaker 1:I fly in and we go portland portland oregon is, uh, august 8th for nine inch nails, and then my morning jackets august 9th, um, at that winery. Fair enough, should I just say Michelle? I believe so I'd have to look. Yeah the one up in Woodinville.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So I think we're going to do some more exploring, because the last time I was in Portland, of course, I was doing some other things, so this time I think I'm going to explore a little more. So I'll have to check out the winery I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:Oh good, Well, I'll help you out up there.
Speaker 1:Oh, I appreciate that Awesome.
Speaker 2:All right, let's dive into it.
Speaker 1:Let's dive into it. So it is interesting to me when I started looking into the songs we did that we did not do once. Like this is a song that I feel as though is a pillar, or I would say is the foundation to Pearl Jam when it comes to the stepping stones of what built this band up. Once is probably one of those songs that really is what the band's about. I mean, this song really is a defining career song for them. Like this is this will. I mean. I mean, if you were to retire songs in in in a rock and roll of fame, this is probably one of them. Like this is probably one, one of the. Whether you love this song or not, this is pearl jam. Like once is pearl jam. Like this is definitive pearl jam yeah I, no argument there.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the first thing. You, you know, you bought that cd, you know. My guess is, uh, majority of us all started off with a live because that was the single that was played, that was the first video, maybe even flow. But when you bought that CD and you put that thing in the first track, you heard, and what I remember about I remember the, you know, I remember the beginning of that song and being this weird, like what the fuck is this? You know, know, and then it just like launches and that goes back into you know, and again, I was in the in 1991.
Speaker 2:I was uh still listening to a shit ton of 80s metal. Um, that's just what I grew up on, that's what I loved. That's why Alice in Chains I gravitated towards Alice in Chains quite early, because they sort of they really tapped into that metal side of things, and Soundgarden did as well. But with Pearl Jam and in regard to the song, you know, just a flurry of guitars, uh, you know eddie screaming, you know I it was. It was a powerful song and a great track, one, you know, a great way to like launch into what that album was really about and what that album meant top to bottom. Um, it was a good foundation for that album, I think a good foundation for the band.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is this is the song that's really in theory, starts it like. This starts the band if you, if you went bought the album not knowing anything about alive or jeremy, or just went and got the album because of the hype around pearl jam and this is the first song you hear, this is what jump starts the whole idea behind it. And here's something clever too. There's only few songs that you can say this about, but this is a great song to have that kind of. You know how the songs play differently across so many different drummers, because this is one of the few songs that cruisin, chamberlain, abruzzi, irons and cameron have all played at some point in their career and it's how different takes have been made and how it feels differently across them.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're all like you know. Of course Cruisin' is the original when it came to the idea of it being on the album. Then you had, you know Dave A, that, you know Bruzee, who kind of made it more heavier and more of a faster paced song. You know, Chamberlain and you know, jack irons, they're, they're more of like they were kind of doing them.
Speaker 2:They were, I would say, in that mix of cruising and abruzzia and then cameron. I mean, where where would we have heard the matt chamberlain version of that song?
Speaker 1:let me see. Let me see if I can find out. I'm just looking.
Speaker 2:I'm reading notes online, so give me a second yeah, oh, you know, for me, outside of the drummer, you know, this is uh, this is like an introduction to eddie's voice and this was like almost like the definitive angry eddie. You know what I mean. You hear a lot of grunts and he's like yeah, it was like an angry Eddie, and so there's so much Pint up energy In this song and again, as a 20, 21 year old, uh, you know, probably trying to, still Not probably Trying to figure my shit out, um, yeah, this tapped into something for me for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's another song that makes you feel something, right? Yeah, but Matt Chamberlain did tour with them and during the shows that he toured with just for the few weeks, he did play this song a few times.
Speaker 2:Oh, there we go. Okay. So when did Matt Chamberlain tour with them? Was this like right after Cruisin' after?
Speaker 1:cruising right. After cruising left chamberlain. He played tour with him for a little bit, then he stayed. He basically, uh, I think he left. If I'm reading this now, uh, chamberlain left pearlton to join the house band of saturday night live which began in 1991. So and then dave a came in right afterwards. Um, but he also, you know, he toured with soundgarden and then he did join bob dylan's never ending Tour there for a little bit later in his career.
Speaker 1:But he was around you know, yeah, but it's crazy, like it's one of the few times that you know few songs. I mean 10 is going to be the one album where you have Cruz and who's played those songs across different. You know, on the album, I mean he didn't really he wasn't a touring member. Yeah, on the album I mean he didn't really he wasn't a touring member. Uh, yeah, but so, no, it is. It is interesting when you do this.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, the idea behind this song is so passionate and Eddie is still, to this day, when this is one of the songs that, like, they haven't changed the way it placed on the intro or anything like that. It's not like you know how, like court, like know how, like court, like porch, like their build up a porch is different now than it was 15 years ago. Once is still very much. The way it opens and it's played is very much the same and it's, yeah, uh, it's. It's still one of the I was guys, it's. This is not one of those songs you can pass up when you're alive. It's not one of the ones you yawn at. This is one of the ones you're, you, you, you, you feel in your soul and you, just you go at it yeah so, but I mean it is.
Speaker 1:It is a crazy idea. You know the song itself is. You know it's. It's a tale of a man's ascendant to madness it as he becomes a serial killer, which I mean. Most people nowadays listen to serial killer podcasts. I mean this song should be tapping into people now more than ever that's true um now more than ever, that's true, um.
Speaker 1:But here's some fun stats. Yeah, go ahead. Played 368 times and open 13 times and only a closer once. I'm assuming that's got to be early, early on in their career early, gotta be in the first, first 91 right, I'm checking right now. Let's see Closer it closed. It was August 1st 1992 in Clarkston, Michigan.
Speaker 2:Wow, that was right before, a month before dropping the park.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's the songs. It's, you know, kind of revolves around as I go up here and I continue to look at livefootstepsorg Song positions, typically in that one to five range. It's where it's about played about 40% of the time, um, and then it's it kind of more towards the middle, uh, the end of it. It's going to be a little less, uh, where it's more of the main and encore one, encore two and which is not more of a thing anymore, or even Encore 3 is not really around. They've had a few intros. Pop into it I'm Not Crazy has been an improv in front of it about five times and then Outshined was an intro to it one time and then songs before it 56 times. Wash opened it and then State of Love and Trust was 32, with Alive at 19. And then songs after Even Flow at 74 times, porch at 43, and a live at 38.
Speaker 2:So I'll get a live. Have you ever seen a show where they opened with once?
Speaker 1:I'm going to have to double check that. Hold on, let me see.
Speaker 2:I can tell you that I have. I know for a fact because I saw the uh pearl jam 2016 philadelphia show, where they played 10 front to back. So front to back yeah 2016, and they did.
Speaker 1:And actually, if you saw it, both nights once in, uh, on the 20th and 29th, it was once. It was the first song, um, which is interesting, but I'm looking, I don't know if I've. No, I've never seen them open with once, so you definitely got me beat on that for 100%, sure.
Speaker 2:So that was that show, by the way, was what day is today? The 30th? I think that show was yesterday. Yeah, it's celebrating anniversary that show was either yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 1:So nine years ago, 26 and 28th and 29th so yeah, last year, wow, yeah, insane to me, insane so, but still a great song. I've had a couple of versions playing in the background right now. This is an older one from 93, dave a playing on it. Uh, just, and this one I like because you can hear the drums more, much different than how Matt plays yeah, but again, you know, like I probably feel like the song is all about Eddie's more vocals in this.
Speaker 2:He's just such an angry song, you know oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying listen, and I don't.
Speaker 1:I yeah, I love all the different timetables for Pearl Jam when it comes to different drummers playing solo and stuff. I just love the fact that you have that ability to hear it played in a different way, in a different character, because the band hasn't had that many changes, I mean besides drumming. So, but you know, I don't ever say one's better than the other. I still think Matt Cameron's a god among drummers when it comes to things, and Dave A definitely has a spot in history when it comes to things. But yeah, this is such a great song. So here comes the million dollar question, troy, what do you rank this song in your top 25? And how do you rank it on a scale of 1 to 10?
Speaker 2:This is. You know that whole album means a lot to me, so, um, yeah, let's, I'm gonna give this an 8.9, wow okay on the rating. It's a high rating. Yeah, it is um and um. Yeah, this song definitely my top 25. But you know, half that first album is probably in there too, so I couldn't agree with you more definitely in my top 25.
Speaker 1:I would even go as far as say my top 10 uh, and I gave this. This is probably one of the higher ratings I've given. This is a 9.74 for me. 9.74 night actually 9.743, if you really want to be specific. That's what I wrote down on the old thing.
Speaker 2:Let me look at my notes real quick here 8.98. You could round up if you wanted for me 8.98.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, I like that. We'll keep it. 8.98. Still a great song. And you know, this is one of those songs where because they're playing short a set list now, this is a song that deserves its moment in in a set list. Now, this is a song that, like it, still has relevancy. It's still give, it's still raw, it's still bold, it's still gritty, it's still a great song and, um, a good one. So, and we could talk about those set lists later if we have time, but, yeah, no good stuff. So that was once off of 10 which is all right.
Speaker 1:Another one off the list. We'll have to can. We'll have to look at what are the songs off of 10. We just have to get that album knocked out. I think that's. We've been doing this for five years.
Speaker 2:I mean it's time to just knock that shit out there's we've we not knocked out all the songs off of 10 yet? No, we have not. Oh jesus. All right, well, I'll right Crazy. I'm glad somebody's keeping track of this stuff.
Speaker 1:You know, if it wasn't, if it wasn't for anybody's wondering.
Speaker 2:If anybody's wondering, anthony is doing all the work. I just show up once a month.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, listen, you keep me motivated, so that you and Brian and everybody else and all the show. I mean, I do a lot of stuff behind the scenes, but we all have our fill. You're the talent, I'm just the lackey. How about that? That's why the wine bottle points to you on the bottom. All right, so the next song is, I think, a relevant song to now.
Speaker 2:There's something I said the other day oh yeah, no, I was. When you talked about playing this song. I'm like, well, it's more relevant today than it was in 03 when it came out. For sure, oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:And I think the one thing, too is, I forgot where the fuck I was going with this. It's Green Disease, with this, god, green Disease.
Speaker 2:Green.
Speaker 1:Disease, anthony, yeah, I totally lost my train of thought and everything. Yeah, no, I wanted to do something that had meaning to now. Right, this is a song that Pearl Jam. It isn't a heavily played song by any means. I do think it's relevant to the times now than ever. Um, with everything going on in the world, and this is one of those songs that I feel as though doesn't get enough love, like I, there's songs out there that I feel, you know pearl jam plays and there's unique clicks to it, like they have. There's a feeling to it like I'm a big fan of the song stranger's tribe. A lot of people aren't as big of a fans that song, but you know it is what it is. But I feel like this song, like it's just so good, um, but, yeah, green Disease uh, you know is is one of those songs that, like I, just I like to hear live and I've only heard it.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to look at the stats here right now. I think I've heard it a few times. Um, I know, I know I have seen it. I've seen them fuck it up quite a few times. Yeah, I've seen it. Wow, I saw it twice in 2008. And I saw it a few times in 06. So yeah, I've seen it quite a few times, but they haven't really played it much. Only 66 times they've played the song and out of those 66 times I'm pretty sure they screwed it up probably 52 times.
Speaker 2:Well, Eddie obviously did not have his uh uh monitor in front of him with lyrics.
Speaker 1:So so, when you think of the song green disease, what, what comes to your, you're like, what, what makes you, what?
Speaker 2:do you? Well, that whole, that whole album, that whole right act album, uh, was, I think, probably I say their most political, but certainly at the time, their most outwardly political album. You know, they had the ability to live through the 90s without a whole lot of stuff going on from the standpoint of having to really rail against the government. And then Bush comes in and you know, with, surely, with nine, 11 and, and all that stuff, and, but, um, more importantly, with just, and it's, it's hard to even fathom today, because I feel like now people look back at George W Bush like, oh boy, those were the days, you know, if we could only have a conservative. That was, as you know, soft and gentle as that guy, I know. But back in 03 you're like, what a fucking asshole, you know. And so it's, it's uh, um, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:That's why I say this song is more prescient today than it was, I feel like, than when it was written, uh, but the story is exactly the same, and that is that we have a, you know, we have a government and certainly a leader that is taking these the train off the rails, man, you know what I mean? Uh, where, where we're supposed to look to the government to help us. We're supposed to look to the government, uh, to make good decisions for the well-being of everybody. And there is, there's a line in there something about um, uh, uh, the, the boat's not safe and we're drowning, and turns out, uh, he's the one making waves. Uh, and that's exactly how we are right now. You know, here we are, we're all. You know, here we are, we're all our society feel like. You know, democracy is on the verge of literally being ripped away from us right now, and it's the hands of a few that are making that happen. You know, not the hands of the many.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, yeah and it's all 100 percent out of greed. It's not out of anything else, it's pure greed. You know how much money, how much do you need?
Speaker 1:yeah, how much money do you actually need?
Speaker 2:that, how much do you?
Speaker 1:need. How much do you need? It's true, you know I mean it's some lyrics. It's a disease and they're all green. It eliminates from their being and the leads with big leaves, stealing light from what's beneath, where the they have more still they take more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stealing light from what's beneath. They have more, more, but they're taking more Right. Yeah, of course I know they, then I don't.
Speaker 1:They're a stowaway with my throat. It's deceiving. I don't believe him. We can scream out our doors. Behind a wall, a fat man snores. In his dreams he's choking tea leaves, it's yeah. And then to scream G, r, e, e, d at the end of that song is just a powerful message of what is? You know, it's, it's, it's this, you know.
Speaker 1:This is a very hard song to play in in the idea of you know. That's why they don't play it often. I mean, it is, it's a very fast-paced song and there are kind of multiple things going on at the same time. Um, but yeah, this is, this is. This is a powerful song. This is I'm I'm waiting for, I was waiting for it to be played in florida. I thought that would have been a great place to have the song being played. Um, kind of being in the state of uh, you know our, you know our president's state, and um, where he basically stays. This would have been a powerful message. I think this is one of those songs where I don't know if they're going to really pull out again. I just think that this song has I think there's other political oh, you don't think so I'll bet they bust this song out.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure I don't think so. Yes, here's some stats for you, right? Okay, it's only been played. Hold on a second. Let me pull this up.
Speaker 2:When's the last time it?
Speaker 1:was played. Last time it was played was 2023, and then before that was 2018. So, just to give you an idea, it was played in Chicago 2023, september 7th. 2018 was played three times. Oh sorry, 7th it was 2018 was played three times. There was a T oh sorry, twice. Once was just a tease, on June 13th, and it was played a month later. Let me see here I'm pulling up some more stats because this is interesting, because once again, like I said, it's this is one of those you know harder songs to play we have, and then 20. So 2018, 2016 played once once. 2014 played three times and the majority of the times it was played ready for this sit. So 2023 is playing chicago 18 was played in london, then in poland. 2016 played in toronto, ontario. 2014, stockholm, sweden, and then it wasn't played. It last time was played in amer in America. Besides Chicago in 2023 was 2012 in.
Speaker 1:San Francisco, california, because then it was played and that year was played in Norway and New Zealand. 2011, winnipeg. 2009 was played in Philadelphia that's when I started Spectrum and then in Ridgefield, washington, and then 2008 was played in Washington DC. I started there and then in Virginia Beach field, ridgefield, washington, and then 2008 was played in washington dc. I saw it there and then in virginia beach. I saw it there june 17th and then camden, new jersey. Yeah, it's a very rarely played song and the majority of the time it's played is overseas.
Speaker 2:Yeah I'm just saying, you know, pearl jam is a they. They do find the right opportunity to bust songs out, and so I could see this coming out in um, you know over the next what they've already played? Three shows, how many shows they have left? Oh, all songs is 12, 12, 11.
Speaker 1:and so they've done three sets, seven, so seven shows left. That's it. Yeah right, seven or eight, because one eight With the Jazz Fest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I don't think They'll play at the Jazz Fest If they're going to play it, I would assume, because you got Nashville's next Right and then after Nashville, You're going to have one more.
Speaker 2:Is there another Atlanta show?
Speaker 1:There's another Atlanta show, so Atlanta's tomorrow, that's night two, then they have two in Nashville. Then they have two in Raleigh, then two in Pittsburgh, right I?
Speaker 2:feel like I'm skipping one.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's it Is there like an Akron in there.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Akron? No, I don't think there's an Akron.
Speaker 2:Man, Kansas City yeah right.
Speaker 1:You know what? Here's a fun, crazy stat and I'm surprised because I have an opportunity to go see him in Nashville next week, but I'm seeing my Morning Jacket on Friday. I'm telling you, if you have an opportunity to see my Morning Jacket this tour, fucking jump on it.
Speaker 2:I think we're going to try to see them. I told you we'll try to see them in Bend Oregon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wanted to make that work, but then it was like I'd have to take a week and a day to go, like to do that nine inch nails and then do my martin jacket in seattle and I really want to see him at the winery. Um, so I'm sorry. So, atlanta they play atlanta on tomorrow, then they play new orleans this weekend, nashville next the week after raleigh, north carolina the week after, then pittsburgh yeah, they don't have many shows left, so, um, interesting I mean, I'm just saying I you know, I hard to think that that's not a song they would would not pull out based on the, the state of the state of the climate where we're at.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean, you're totally right on that one I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not disagreeing. I just feel as though this is a song that they rarely play.
Speaker 1:So I feel like they did first of all. They did play this. This would be like people they did first of all if they did play this. This would be like people would be like holy shit, like this would be an exciting moment. I think that's when I would get some FOMO, I guess, because right now I haven't really had any. I feel I'm happy that all my friends are getting this amazing time and stuff, but I'm like this is the first Pearl Jam tour since 2006 that I didn't go see a show, at least on the tour. So it's interesting. But I mean, I'm like I feel like they'll play more by the end of the year and I just yeah, I hope so.
Speaker 2:I mean, I haven't heard any rumors about anything one way or the other.
Speaker 1:The only two things I saw which, once again, I want to Let me just put hold on. Do I have a? Please take this with a grain of salt. This is Air Horn Rumors. Nothing is official. Me and Trey know nothing.
Speaker 1:The Clap your Hand, the band oh, what the hell was it? I want to say Clap your Hand. Maybe it was. No, maybe it was them. Whoever it was there, say Clap your Hand and Say, yeah, Maybe it was them. Whoever it was, there was a band online that had leaked a festival called the Corona Festival in Mexico and they were like, hey, we're really excited to play this in November and Pearl Jam was the second day headliner. Then they deleted it. It went everywhere. A lot of people are saying it's fake, but that's that. I did see a list of shows for South America. Um, that was kind of sent to me by a fan of the show. Nothing's official. I don't want to say it's true or not and I don't have no validation for that. And the last thing I saw was, um, that they were there, was these like Pearl was playing, these like random States. Um in uh, it was called October and November. Um in uh was called october and november.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'm sorry, uh, september and october, um, and it was right after ohana, and it was ohana ohana's last week of september, so it's I have a hard time thinking there's any september shows so I get yeah well, I can't imagine it's september because it's also a solo thing, and I've heard eddie's doing a solo thing.
Speaker 1:whether that's true or not, I have no idea, but it was like the Dakotas, nebraska, like Utah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, kansas, North Dakota.
Speaker 1:No fucking, no, no Kansas.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:No, missouri. It was all like everything around me, but it was like these like unique little like places that they haven't played in a long time. And then it led back to Seattle with them them doing what was once again, this is not official, this was given to me was that they were supposed to be doing a two-night new year's eve thing at in seattle at the uh climate pledge arena. I pledge, but I don't. Once again, I have this. I only I was given to me by one person I I take with a grain of salt, um, you know, but I haven't seen anything otherwise.
Speaker 2:No, well, I've heard nothing on my end, so oh, oh.
Speaker 1:Going back, green disease. What do you give that? Is that in your top 25, and what is the rating?
Speaker 2:no, no, it's not so top 25. I like that song a lot, though. Uh, it's, uh, it's got. You know, eddie always has a way with words and I always felt like this song, lyrically, was you know it's written as a poem formed into a song.
Speaker 2:Um, when you think about the way he sings it, uh, he was taking his thoughts and making it fit into this particular song. You know what I mean. It doesn't flow like a lot of songs do the way he has. You know the sentence will end to get into the next verse. It's a continuation of that thought process. You know what I mean. But I like this song a lot, you know what I mean um, but I like this song a lot.
Speaker 2:Um, let's give this song, uh, uh 8.4327. Wow yeah, wow yeah yeah, it's 84, it's a b, it's a b song to be you're definitely more generous to me.
Speaker 1:This song is not my top 25. I enjoy the song, but this is not a song like that I'm digging out to play either. I won't skip it, but it's also like if I'm building a playlist, this is not going to be on my playlist. I'm not running a half a marathon and hoping that this song comes through at all to motivate me a little bit. But I do enjoy the song. But I give this song. This might the one of the largest discrepancies we've ever had.
Speaker 2:It's a 6.714 that's a, that's an f that's not an f that's a 67. That's not an f, it's a 6.7 out of 10 that's not an f is that a d minus? What is that? I don't know like a d, but I mean it's like you're basically telling eddie's your song you got a D, here's a D, here you go, take it back, work on it.
Speaker 1:No, no, I would say on a scale of 1 to 10, like 5 is like A good average song, anything above that it gets better. Below that, you start going alright, this is kind of. And then like Below a 2, you're like oh. And then below one, you're like ooh, that's how I interpret it, this rating that we're doing.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just going to make sure I let Eddie know that you gave him a D on green disease. That's fine.
Speaker 1:I didn't give him a fucking.
Speaker 2:D, that's a D plus. It's a high 60s, it's a D plus If we're giving letter grades.
Speaker 1:I would give this like a C plus.
Speaker 2:Well, a C plus is a 78.
Speaker 1:No, that's a total, different score. Like that's a percentage, Like this is a 1 through 10. This is different. Like I said above, a 5 is better than average.
Speaker 2:Below a 5, below a 4, below a 3, below a five, like below a four, below three, below a two, below one, like that. That's how I do it. If I'm gonna back in a screenshot of that, you're doing the video we're saving this. I'm gonna screenshot each review and that's gonna be the new reviews that we show, like oh hey, anthony, what do you get? This? He's's like I get this summer, I get this summer.
Speaker 1:One day I'm going to have a fucking heart attack in the show. I'll be like, oh, he really didn't like that song. Oh God, oh man. But yeah, no, this will be a good one. Hey, you know, before we go into because we're actually moving along pretty well right now Before we go into Vinyl R, vinyl rewind, I do want to let's talk. Let's talk a little bit about the set list they've had over the last few shows, because there's been some significant things.
Speaker 1:It's been, it's been, it's a. It really is significant. When you look at the the tour, I mean the first night they came out and they played, and they didn't even play a single song of her versus, which is the first time since versus came out, the only three shows ever performed without playing a Versus song, which is wild to me. The first night, the first night, yes correct.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:Versus stuff, no Versus.
Speaker 2:Crazy right.
Speaker 1:Yes, night one open with Oceans. Which great. I love Oceans. Present tense. Why go deep? That is a pop, pop, pop. I mean you're like it's like a fucking box, you're getting hit in the jaw Good stuff.
Speaker 2:Basically, they're saying we haven't been in Florida in a while. 50% of the people who were here maybe have never seen Pearl Jam live. We're just going to drop some hits on you.
Speaker 1:And then amongst the waves. So, and once again in Florida, wrapped around with water, I mean it's a good way to put you know. A lot of beaches, good stuff. Interesting though, why is Eddie, when he starts the show, no hat on right. As soon as dark matter starts, fucking throws a hat on, and it stays on until the end of the show.
Speaker 2:Is that right?
Speaker 1:It is. That is a fact. It it is. That is a fact. It is a fact that is. You know what, that you can, that is a truth.
Speaker 2:Maybe he has something on the visor of his hat with lyrics and they drop down for the rest of this hit list.
Speaker 1:Oh man Well first five songs, then six React Respond, which still I think that's the most underrated song off of Dark Matter. That is, I love that Jeff Amant song, then Dark Matter, wreckage, evenflow Down. I mean that's, if you that's a good one, Corduroy Won't Tell Leatherman. Wishlist Running Lucan.
Speaker 2:Leatherman, come on.
Speaker 1:Leatherman, you can't go. And then Lucan and Leatherman. Come on, leatherman, you can't go, and then Lucan and then Porch. So hey, first 17 songs right out the bat for the main set. I think that's a great main set.
Speaker 2:That's like half of 10.
Speaker 1:That is half of 10. Then Encore I won't back down, which I'm going to give you my opinion about that in a minute. Then Footsteps.
Speaker 2:Well, look, you know why he played that. They're in florida, I get that, but here's my. That's where tom is from that's where tom petty's from, is he? Yes, oh, did you not? He's from gainesville, florida.
Speaker 1:You've not watched the tom petty documentary I've watched a lot of documentaries oh, running down, a dream maybe I have to rewatch, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna throw that up there with it it's.
Speaker 2:it's one of the greatest rock documentaries of all time running down a dream.
Speaker 1:We literally just did a podcast about rock documentaries and that wasn't even in the top 25.
Speaker 2:Well then then do you? Then it was amateur hour. Who are you with? I didn't get a phone call about that. I didn't get a phone call about that yeah well, what was in your top ten? What were?
Speaker 1:the. My top five, if I can remember correctly, was the Ramones documentary, the Flaming Lips documentary, Pearl Jam 20, the oh God, I can't think of Nobody wants to watch the Flaming Lips documentary. You're out of your fucking mind. That documentary, the original.
Speaker 2:I love the Flaming Lips, but I mind that, doc the original. I love the flaming lips, but I'm talking in a general sense of things. Okay, if you were to sit, if you were to sit, a hundred random people down and play them, running down a dream which is three hours, peter bogdanovich did this.
Speaker 1:You know peter bogdanovich is the producer he sounds like and then you play them then you play them the Flaming Lips.
Speaker 2:You know where this is going.
Speaker 1:Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Ramones, Ramones, Flaming Lips, Pearl.
Speaker 1:Jam 20. Then there was the one on CBGBs, and then there was oh God, I'd have to look at the list- this was a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Please tell me, Sound City was in that too.
Speaker 1:Rolling Stones had it on their list, but it wasn't on mine for my top five Sound City. I know what Sound City is. It's a great documentary but you have to remember things make us feel a certain way that wasn't in my top five. You're giving me shit about the Flame List documentary but you don't even realize that that documentary was made and then they removed it from the damn list. Flamin' Lips removed it because then they didn't realize the career was ending, because it jump-started into a whole new dynamic. The Fearless Freaks is an amazing documentary. The fact that everything I'm not going to get into it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, moving on, so I won't back down Footsteps. Do the evolution, evolution. So you want to be a rock and roll star? That's a. That's a good rarity. Crazy alive. Bob o'reilly and setting sun. Okay, here's my theory. Okay, you have a total of what was that? 20, 25 songs, right, I love pearl jam. We've talked about this. Can we just do away with cover songs? I mean, if you're going to give me only 25 songs, let's just hear Pearl Jam. I don't want to hear Baba, I don't want to hear. I Won't Back Down. Actually, I don't want to hear Crazy Mary either. So let's just keep. Give me three other Pearl Jam songs. Oh, you probably don't want to hear fucking Rockin' in the free world. Give me a live. Give me a live instead of rocking in the free world. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, get back, get back here, yeah, listen, when we were getting 36 songs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can throw in a couple of covers, but when you're getting 25, I want to hear Pearl Jam. I want to hear what Eddie's actually thinking. I don't want to hear what Neil was thinking. I don't want to hear what Tom was thinking. I want to hear what Eddie was thinking. Also, I am sorry, chris, I'm getting a lot of shit online right now between YouTube and Facebook, about how to know Tom Petty was from Florida. Thank you, chris. Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 2:I apologize. You want to know why? Because Anthony didn't watch Running Down a Dream, the greatest rock documentary ever made it's not the greatest rock documentary ever made.
Speaker 1:You've never even seen it. How do you know? I'm almost 93.5% sure I've seen that documentary.
Speaker 2:When you were halfway through that documentary and they've already gone through you're like 15 or 20 songs. You're like wow man these guys wrote a lot of great songs and they haven't even like touched on half the catalog. You recognize what a great band that was, top to bottom.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You're making it sound like I didn't like Tom Petty. I like Tom Petty.
Speaker 2:I don't think you like Tom Petty. I did like Tom.
Speaker 1:Petty. I saw Tom Petty. I like Tom Petty. I don't think you like Tom Petty. I did like Tom Petty. I saw Tom Petty live twice.
Speaker 2:You thought Tom Petty was from Kansas, I didn't.
Speaker 1:I thought actually I thought Tom Petty.
Speaker 2:I mean listen to him talk. Where do you think he was from?
Speaker 1:I thought he was from Canada. I'm not going to fucking lie. I really thought he was from fucking Canada, I oh. Jesus, I threw it to fucking Canada, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Where's Brad if we need him? Oh, Brad is at. Brad is no longer going to any shows with you at this point, especially in Canada.
Speaker 1:Brad is in Nashville right now at Sam's and I'm seeing DC Fontaine. I can't even say their names. They left Atlanta, fontaine's DC, fontaine's DC. I always go backwards. He went and saw them Great band and then the guests are getting real big. So I'll let him tell you a story. But you've got to text him, because his story of how he got tickets for today is pretty awesome. But he drove from Atlanta to Nashville to see this show and then leaving Nashville to go back to Atlanta to see Pearl Jam tomorrow. Why?
Speaker 2:wouldn't you? I mean, it's only a four set list real quick.
Speaker 1:Uh, release of the girl given a fly. Do the evolution. There's your starter release, always amazing. Opener of the girl back to back, that's good when given a fly, I love that song. Do the evolution in the early stages, good stuff. Uh, then the hat goes on. Boom, eddie's back in Metal Wreckage, daughter, not For you. Evenflow, skater Theater, immortality, jeremy Faithful good one right there. Black Something Special, good, underrated song. Better man Porch 17-song main set. Then the Encore Just Breathe, upper Hand. Elderly Woman Behind the Counter. A Small Town.
Speaker 2:Sonic Reducer Alive Rocking the Freeway.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't like Sonic Reducer, though, once again, I I prefer further on. Yeah, I know, I know it was on lost. I get it, I get, I get you listen. Enough enough, with enough listen. I have my opinions, you have yours. Okay, um, but yeah, that hey night one, night two, I would say, knocked it out of the park now I will say if you went to both of those shows you got a lot of pearl jam.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of stuff that is, but here's, here's the problem, though then you also have the day in between, and that's the killer for me. That's why it was so hard for me to do these shows, because it's taking you have to take a lot more time off work to do these shows. Yeah, because you have the flight in, which is usually the day before, and then you have the day of the show, and then the day in between, and then the day after.
Speaker 2:If you want to go see Pearl Jam these days, you better be fucking rich. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm going to fucking use that all night long. I mean it's expensive.
Speaker 2:I'm not dissing the band at all, I'm just saying and it's not even just Pearl Jam how much are my morning jacket tickets?
Speaker 1:you don't want to talk about that they're expensive no.
Speaker 2:They're not expensive.
Speaker 1:I have VIP tickets for Friday in St Louis where I have an hour early into the show, a poster, an extra merchandise, early merch entry and everything and it cost me $121. But for me, my wife and my daughter to go to the show in Kansas City, for for us three was 140 for three tickets for three tickets.
Speaker 2:Yep, so see my morning jacket.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then, and I'm telling you there my morning jacket right now?
Speaker 2:is that through the band? Is that?
Speaker 1:through the band 100. Yes, yeah, you're going, but it goes through ticketmaster you're so I, my morninget, has one big family which is their fan club which just came out which you joined, and they, yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1:And I will tell you, when I saw my Morning Jacket in Kansas City last week, they played for just under three hours. They played past curfew, they paid the fine for the curfew and it was. It was amazing, you and it was. It was amazing that I mean that's why I'm willing to travel three hours to go see him on friday and turn right around and come back home because I feel like I'm getting my money. When I got vip for I mean, I couldn't believe it, it was mind-blowing.
Speaker 2:And now you bought those tickets through the band of those prices yeah, 100. So why can't pro jam do that?
Speaker 1:So the difference, I would say, is the couple things, and once again I have no guarantees on this whatsoever oh, are you really God? Is the stage that Pearl Jam is playing on, with the backdrop, the crew, because the crew is bigger this year. Based off of what's on the stage, everything based around it, it's just more expensive. I've also heard that the guys are they're playing are a little bit more expensive. You know my morning jacket's not playing the same arenas that you know pearl gym's playing there. It's two different total. You know that. I mean we're playing. You know pearl. You know my morning jacket's probably paying playing like what's a good size theater in seattle?
Speaker 2:I don't know, like uh I think the pair of the paramount paramount would be like five thousand six thousand people at the paramount theater is that where jack white's typically playing? Uh, yeah, jack white could sell out climate pledge for sure, but um but I mean jack.
Speaker 1:So jack White and my Morning Jack are basically playing almost identical places right now, but yeah, my Morning Jack, I mean, and once again you're getting it's just a whole different. Like right now, my Morning Jack, they're playing their fifth show in Louisville right now in a row. What? Yeah, five shows in one place. Five shows one place. Five shows one place, and every night is a different set list, no songs repeated. They're basically gonna play their entire fucking catalog as of tonight, which is in. I mean, you're basically, if you went out there, and I know a few people did you're getting five shows, three at three plus hours a night.
Speaker 1:You're getting five nights in a row five nights in a row, one of that one day off. So they did a day off and then the last two 15 hours of music. That's awesome, I know, but it's just different. It's different and I get that and listen Pearl Jam's in their 60s my Morning Jacket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they're different bands. They're different bands.
Speaker 1:Different bands.
Speaker 1:It's tough, but yeah, it's it.
Speaker 1:So when you said you have to be rich to see pearl gym, it's, it's kind of true, and I will say this too. Like the one thing that kind of bothered me with this tour so far is, like I I think the set lists are very we're going to talk about uh alana's from last night, which I thought was really good too, but, like the, when you look at some of these artists that are being, that are doing some of these posters and the quality that's coming out, which I don't think matches what should be out there, based off what other artists can do, um, I just interviewed um courtney, who did the uh poster for pearl for my morning check last last week, who is a huge pearl jam fan. She's amazing. She's a female powering, amazing artist. She gets overlooked by a lot of these other artists that are doing it and they're just doing. I mean, I don't know, I'm just not impressed with some of the shit that's coming out right now I, you join the pro cam posters that are that were on the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just and that I mean the merchandise is just not consistent I do know that they were.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of people uh complaining about the seminoles on that, on the one poster that they did in florida the night two I it was, I don't think.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's the topic. Okay, Cause you know the topic. It's not the topic, it's the way it's. It's just. I just don't think, I don't know Art, art has it's. Everyone has their own opinions on art, and whether they like it or not, and, once again, I think, we've.
Speaker 1:We've talked about it before. I mean, I have a couple of posters up here that people fucking hate. That I love because it makes me feel a certain way, but I just feel as though when you're paying premium prices for things, I think you should be getting premium things back, and when you're not getting that, I feel as though you're getting looked at. And once again, I understand that Pearl Jam is a business and a lot of the things decisions are making are being not made by them per se, because they can't make all the decisions.
Speaker 1:Pearl Jam is too big to make decisions for themselves and they can't make all the decisions. Pearl Jam's too big to make decisions for themselves and the band themselves. They want to go on stage, they want to play and then they want to be with their families. They want to go experience things. They don't want to have to be there at a table checking boxes all the time because it's just, it's impossible. So when they have another company like Mr T-Shirt making these decisions, mr T-Shirt's going to do what he thinks and me personally and I'd love to have him on the show and he could prove me wrong and I'd love to ask him tough questions but honestly I don't know who is this.
Speaker 1:His name is Mr T-shirt. His name is Chris. I think at Mr T-shirt.
Speaker 2:And he does all the Pearl Jam T-shirts.
Speaker 1:He is in charge of the merchandising for Pearl Jam, so he does all the licensing and he gets all the poster artists, he gets all the T, the t-shirt designs. He does, he does all that. So he, he does everything. But I do think that, in my opinion, he has made a lot of bad choices for pearl jam when it comes, when it comes to the band and yeah, here's the thing, though.
Speaker 2:Like let's say that they're picking particular artists, they're gonna say hey, I want monk one to do this, uh, you this poster, I want Ames Bros to do this, I want Emek to do this. Whatever it is, they have no say over what those posters look like. So in the end, it's the artist, it's not the band yes and no. So at that point you're like well, you should have picked a different artist. Well, now you're complaining about art, and you know how that is.
Speaker 1:It's yes and no, because we've had artists on the show before and maybe next episode I'll get an artist on here that's done a Pearl Jam poster recently.
Speaker 1:That'd be fun episode. We'll I'll get an artist on here that's done a pearl gem post recently, yeah, and they can talk about their experience with it, because a lot of times it's changed drastically since mr t-shirt has taken it over. I one artist in particular, which I'd love to have him be open about this he kind of holds back a little because he's worried about seeing something wrong and then getting backlash. But previous to mr t-shirt coming in, he was very hands-on with, like he would give his ideas to the band. The band would just approve yay or nay, and they would say, like here's a list of things don't put on there, not these colors, not these imagery, um, and go from there now and he would get paid ahead of time. Nowadays, like mr t-shirt has a different pay scale, how things work. He's, he's a little more.
Speaker 1:You know there's been artists that have come out talking against how he does things, whether whether it's true or not, it's just based off things online. Um, and you know, I, I want, I, I want more female driven artists to do Pearl jam posters. I feel like that is an. That is one spot that has been overlooked. And and and the and the posters that have been done for Pearl jam that have been female driven artists have been knocked out of the park and there's not enough out there and there's so many female artists out there right now that deserve the shot and I'm just kind of over the same bullshit that is given to us. And here's the thing, and I am the biggest reason why they continue doing this is because we will buy anything and everything that says Pearl Jam on it, whether it's good or bad, and we just take it. And, realistically, the only way things will ever change is if you stand up for something.
Speaker 2:And you're right. Well yeah, the only way they'll stand up is if you don't buy it, and at that point they'll be like oh wait, this is not working.
Speaker 1:And I'm saying this now and you know, I know that, I know that there's people in the band that watch and they and they've commented and stuff like that and they've done things. Just give more women a shot, that's it. There's so many talented female artists that just need the opportunity to do it and I'm just saying just give them a shot, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean outside of Tara McPherson, who I know, and I've got a few of her friends which I love we really have not. It has been interesting. I used to be much like you where, even if there were shows I weren't going to, if they were posters that I fell in love with, I was doing everything I could to get them. And now I'm at the point where I'm like I have 80 posters downstairs unframed.
Speaker 2:You know it's like eventually you're like what am I doing? A lot of stuff, so, and so you are waiting for like that one, you know the Chuck Sperry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Emac something to where you're like, holy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That you're going to go invest your money in and hopefully you're at the show, and if you're not, hopefully you can, you know, still get the poster one way ship or form.
Speaker 1:so yeah, I mean even, even, even jack white. I went and saw jack white three nights in a row. I didn't buy, I bought. I think I bought a t-shirt and I bought a charlotte shirt. I didn't buy anything like I was yeah, I have, I have too much shit. I'm trying to get rid of stuff Like I love it.
Speaker 2:I've got you know June, June, our daughter. She wears, you know, 50% of my Pearl Jam t-shirts these days. Oh, really, you know so she'll roll down and roll down to the closet and pull stuff out, and so, and it's fine, it doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:I love it. I mean Charlotte's starting to get into like. The other day she had her concert. She was wearing a my Morning Jacket shirt and I was like you know, it was a cool experience, I loved it. All right, let's talk about the set list real quick before we get too far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Atlanta set list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, opening up with Can't Keep Nothing man Given to Fly Once To me, right now, that's a top four. There we go, that's a great opening. Right now, that's a top four. That's a great opening. Scare, fear, wreckage even flow unthought known daughter, dark matter in hiding, not for you, into modern girl. Won't tell Modern girl. Deep Jeremy, severed hand porch can't keep me in your heart. Inside job mind your matters do the evolution spin the black circle alive, bob O'Reilly, and then ending with Indifference. So basically, all three nights, 25 songs on the nose. So 75 songs across three shows, with another show tomorrow night. I think you can't leave being unhappy. Those are great shows.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep. I mean, look, it's a wide catalog. How many things off of yield do they play? How many things other binaural do they play? You know it's like they're, they're. They're definitely skipping some albums, but that's going to happen when you're, you know, 13, oh of course how many? How many albums they have now? 12 13, 712 no how many albums, how many? How many album albums do they have?
Speaker 1:uh hold on, I think you know that I should know this. Why 11 12? Why you know this why don't you know this? Why am I? Why? Why am I being harassed on the knowledge that you should also know as well? Hold on a second. Now you got me. I'm I'm overthinking this really hard one, two.
Speaker 2:A giveaway does not count. One, two. Mtv unplugged does not count. Nine two 10, 11 12 13 wait. No, that's not right 13 13 albums okay, cool 10, no, I'm sorry, 12 albums. 10 versus vitology no code yield binaural right act, avocado backspace for lightning bolt. Uh, gigaton dark matter there you go, okay.
Speaker 1:12 albums.
Speaker 2:All right, so that's, that's 100, and let's call that 150 songs. You know that are originals. Yeah, you know, whatever that is, can't you know, you're, and you're getting 25 a night yeah so how do you, how do you space it out? And you know that's not, that's not an enviable job. You know, eddie, eddie took that on probably early on and that's probably easy the first three albums, but after that, it's got yeah um, and yeah, that'd be interesting to. I say eddie took it on.
Speaker 1:It'd be interesting to watch them and like dig in, watch them backstage are they writing these things together, you know maybe we need to uh reach out to like tim and be like hey, tim, listen, we have this show we've been doing for five years, five year anniversary this summer. Can we, we just do an episode backstage and just watch them, and we'll be like when you're watching the Golf Channel and here goes Eddie.
Speaker 2:And look at Jeff. Jeff pulled out the black pen. Oh, he crossed it out.
Speaker 1:He crossed it out. Oh shit, we gotta cross it out.
Speaker 2:He crossed out Smile.
Speaker 1:Oh God, what's going in place of it? Oh no, oh, stone is coming in and stone goes for the swing. And up here comes rear view mirror in place of smile. All right, I think. And then we get a little. I think that would be clever.
Speaker 2:I don't see that happening anytime soon. That would be awesome though, come on now.
Speaker 1:I mean come on now, five years of doing this show five tim tim.
Speaker 2:Come on five years in the show. Bring your phone backstage. Just go to instagram live. Help us out help us out. That's right, we'll help a brother we'll have to phone a friend, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, let's, uh, let's go to our new segment, to the show. If you and I wonder if you remember this, because it is, oh shit, vinyl rewind oh man what yeah, you don't remember this one what is this?
Speaker 1:we did it last month. Vinyl rewind. Oh, I remember that. Yeah, now you do see, you don't keep up. All right, listen. Well, I have a feeling I was thinking about this when I was listening to this album this morning and this band is like I bet you because I bet you Holly listened to this band, I bet you this is a band I bet you, mean Holly listens to a lot of the same music. At the early 2000s there was a band, american rock band from New York City that really was coming off the heels of the Strokes being popular.
Speaker 2:I was about to say the Strokes, but you just said the Strokes being popular. No, no, no, okay.
Speaker 1:So the Strokes, yeah, Yeahs and all those kind of bands really flooded the New York scene at one point in the early 2000s. Then there was this kind of wave of other alternative indie bands that were coming out in the 2003 to 2005 mark that really had like an 80s kind of rock sound to it. The band was called the Bravery.
Speaker 2:Have you ever heard of them?
Speaker 1:The Bravery. Have you never heard of the Bravery? Their most popular song was An Honest Mistake. Have you never heard of this song, Trey?
Speaker 2:This is gonna rave. What the fuck is this?
Speaker 1:Ask Holly right now. I guarantee you Holly listened to this band.
Speaker 2:Love her. Did you ever listen to the Bravery she's like, yeah, she's heard of them.
Speaker 1:Oh, I guess maybe I was more of a fan. I mean, I was the only fan. I have no idea.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's no built to spill Anthony.
Speaker 1:You can't compare apples to oranges.
Speaker 2:It's like the hives.
Speaker 1:You know, the hives no, the hives are much more energetic. The bravery the lead singer had a very lazy voice, so this was that was they had their album. It was a self-titled album that came out in 2005. I really love this band and this was like.
Speaker 2:I can see Anthony wearing a bunch of neon, doing some ecstasy at a rave at 2 in the morning, listening to this band. That's what I see.
Speaker 1:Not Anthony at all, they were just. They were in a rave band. They were like I don't even know, like they were, just like I felt like they were, like they were trying to be like an 80s band, like I don't know. This was.
Speaker 2:It's the same song.
Speaker 1:No, it's a different song.
Speaker 2:Well, it sounds exactly the same fucking song as the last three you played. You would get Hold on. It's the exact same beat. It's not the Exact same beat. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. I cannot. I'm not wrong about that.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. No, they were the braver you have to give them. This is a great band. They were a fun band. Oh great, they were a post-punk.
Speaker 2:Fun, fun.
Speaker 1:He just this was like the reason I don't think they ever really took off was because the music was right on point. His vocals I felt like were almost a mixture of like a Morrissey kind of, like a lazy vocal singing kind of style. But you know what? You know what Fine Fuck. You know what Time out. You know what? You know what Fine Fuck. You know what Time out. You know what I'm just going to. You know what I'm going to do. I'm going to revoke, you're going to delete all those songs off of your iPod.
Speaker 2:That's what you're going to do? Fuck, get out of my iPod, did you that?
Speaker 1:was you know what when? Anthony joined MySpace, that was his MySpace opening song right there. That was not my MySpace opening song. It's such a dumbass, fucking God.
Speaker 1:You know what I will say. This though Last week I had a with a couple other people in the community. We were able to get Liam Finn over the one million listen for one of his songs. He has none of his songs over a million until last week. We pushed it, got second chance on it, but his new song, the Howl, the self-titled song off the new album, is fucking amazing. Have you heard this? Who are we talking about? Same band? No, this is a new band. We're going to Liam Finn real quick.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, liam Finn.
Speaker 1:The new song Howl no.
Speaker 2:Have you seen Liam Finn live? Was Liam Finn at Pearl Jam 20?
Speaker 1:Yep, no I saw him at Pearl Jam 20. Oh, you have to see him solo. Yeah, he is. He's got a fucking voice of an angel and the fact that he plays every fucking instrument on stage A voice of an angel, a voice of an angel, let me hear that.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, PS. I just want to let you know I bought me and Charlotte tickets to see Deep Sea Diver on July 10th in Kansas City. You do what now are going? Me and my daughter are seeing deep sea diver on july 10th in kansas hell yes, you're gonna.
Speaker 2:You're in for a treat man, you're also playing ohana fest I am, I okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:All right, don't even talk to me about it same are you.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I. I know, I can't. I'm in the middle of Harvest. I can't do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I just I don't think it's that good of a lineup. Oh, it's a good lineup. No, not for the cost. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Oh well, I didn't see that. I have no idea what ticket prices are. I thought the lineup was really good. I mean, you know what, you know what.
Speaker 1:I didn't see in there.
Speaker 2:I didn't see the bravery on there.
Speaker 1:If they're fucking the bravery on there then, jesus, it's called fucking vinyl rewind. For a reason You're going back, you're going to look at shit you used to listen to that no one's listening to now. That's why we did it. It's sometimes you're going to like it, sometimes you're not. At least, I did my homework and had it set up for this time, trey.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, here's my. We're going backwards in time. We're going to go around the same time frame. Okay, what's the name of the artist? You're listening to the bravery. We're listening to Keep it Like A Secret by Bill DeSpil.
Speaker 1:Keep it.
Speaker 2:You ever heard of the Plan Carry the Zero? No, carry the Zero Time Trap Nope, no. You never heard those songs Nope Well. You ever heard of? You Are Right Nope Well. Why don't you look up, keep it like a secret by built to spill and work your way through that and then get back to me about the bravery why can't I like it both you can like both. That's the thing. You know what I recognize that I should. You know. As they always say, anthony, art is art's an opinion.
Speaker 1:It's an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions Yep, what do they say about opinions? Anthony, they're like assholes Everyone's got one. Some smell and some don't, I don't know. I just made that. I put that on the end. I never heard that, listen, oh man, go ahead Play that.
Speaker 2:Play that loud that I'd put that on the end. I've never heard that. Oh, listen, uh, oh, man, go ahead play that play that loud.
Speaker 1:You'll be showing the video for this and once again I think listen, built to spill. You're the one who got me in turn. You got me turned on to him five years ago. Good band.
Speaker 2:A great band. The reason I brought that up is because Holly and I just got to see them at Tree Fort Music Festival in Boise last month, along with Deep Seat, diver and a bunch of other bands too.
Speaker 1:But they're a.
Speaker 2:Boise band, so it was like a homecoming show for them. And yeah, yeah, man, doug Marsh, dude, the guy's been doing it since well late 80s but 90s for Bill to spill a long time and their last album is great. So it's like there's something to be said for anyone that can play music for 20, 30 years Successfully and successfully and make great music. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, I say this Trey, I'm going to pause this. We all have different opinions about music. You might agree with us, you might not agree with us. Just listen. Yeah, take it in, go to your local. This world needs punk rock music more now than ever. Listen to what the artists are saying. Fight for your right to party.
Speaker 2:Fight for your right, for sure 100%. Yeah, there's something that all musicians can agree agree with right there. Yeah, but.
Speaker 1:I say we end the show with an amazing song. Not a good song, not a great song, but an amazing song. Okay, do you have anything you would like to add before we end the show?
Speaker 2:um no, I love you, anthony. It's great to see you, as always. Thank you for doing this with me.
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:I love you Always, bring me joy.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's always a joy, even when we bust into the bowls, but I'm going to end the show with the band I can't wait to see on Friday. This is Out in the Open from my Morning Jacket. Next week I'll have another show with Brian Meth. We're going to be doing another Unnecessary List. We're going to be talking about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Soundgarden oh, soundgarden, white Stripes, I cannot believe it, white Stripes so good.
Speaker 1:So that's next week, and then I'll have another show coming out next week, just a touring fan live show, so keep it out until then. That's Trey by his wine. I'm Anthony. Keep supporting the channel. Thank, thank you so much and until next time. Thanks for tuning in, and here is my morning jacket.
Speaker 2:In the light of the sun, the waters run into the valley below Lord Will. I'm split right down the middle.